The Great Debate – Ketchup packets

by | May 13, 2025 | Education, Food & Drink, KHAAAAAANNN!!! | 161 comments

This is a subject near and dear to my heart. Fast food fries, most particularly McDonald’s fries, demand ketchup. And on the road, you are most likely resigned to packets. But it must be done.

Spud: “I have no problem squirting ketchup from a packet into my mouth and then adding fries. Perfect way to eat them on the road.”

Playa Manhattan: “The FUCK is wrong with you? NO FUCKING KETCHUP ON THE ROAD. No exceptions.”

Discuss. The floor is yours.

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161 Comments

  1. Ted S.

    I don’t put ketchup on fries, period.

    • J. Frank Parnell

      Me neither, I dip the fries in the ketchup. People who pour the ketchup on the fries should be deported.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Me three. Ketchup, fancy or not, is gross.

        Mustard is the way to go.

      • ron73440

        Mustard is the way to go.

        This is the way, only exception is Chick-fil-A Polynesian or Honey Mustard.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Zwak, people who dip fries in mustard are also being deported.

      • Ted S.

        I don’t dip the fries, either.

    • juris imprudent

      You eat fries like a Euro? With mayonnaise?

  2. UnCivilServant

    You’re eating the Carbs?

    😱

  3. Not Adahn

    Until I met him, I didn’t know Playa was white. And I definitely wasn’t expecting him to be fratty.

    • Spudalicious

      Dayum. You just nailed him. “Fratty white boy” is Playa to a t.

      • DEG

        Yep.

        He’s a good guy though.

      • Playa Manhattan

        Beach business casual with an emphasis on casual.

        If anyone is wondering, it only costs $5 for DEG to compliment you on the internet. Money well spent.

  4. The Late P Brooks

    A-1 sauce on fries.

    • R.J.

      “When two stupid people love each other very much, they get together and make a little lawsuit.”

      • Sensei

        At the expense of their constituents.

    • EvilSheldon

      Yet another case of, ‘I hate every single person in this story.’

      • juris imprudent

        Most of all, I hate the judge that didn’t toss the suit and slap sanctions on the plaintiff and her attorney.

    • Not Adahn

      Gravy is the best. Pork chop, beef, sausage… all great.

    • Furthest Blue pistoffnick (370HSSV)

      Did she think he would shoot her through the screen?

  5. The Late P Brooks

    It also goes well with education!

    So Kooky.

  6. The Other Kevin

    Mrs. TOK and I used to take a ton of road trips in our younger days, and we developed an excellent system. Assuming that eating “on the road” means the vehicle is in motion and not pulled over somewhere:
    The copilot was in charge of assisting the driver with their meal. Peeling back the wrapper from a burger and handing it to the driver, that sort of thing. No ketchup on the fries. The exception was if there were chicken nuggets, the driver could put the nugget box in their lap and have a sauce packet open, and dip fries in that.

    It was a lot of hours on the road without smart phones, don’t judge.

    • R.J.

      I do the same. Open ketchup in the car is an unnecessary spill risk.

    • ron73440

      We, mostly me, decided a long time ago that we could stop long enough to eat, I hate driving and eating.

      Only time I didn’t was when I was driving a U-Haul with all of our stuff inside and my 1973 Charger on a trailer while she had the kids.

      I did have the rottweiler with me, but he was an excellent travel partner.

      I could only go about 50mph, so I was living on gas station sandwiches eaten while driving and she would stop for meals.

      She still beat me to the hotels.

      • Sensei

        “Only time I didn’t was when I was driving a U-Haul with all of our stuff inside and my 1973 Charger on a trailer while she had the kids.”

        It’s really a tough call to who had it the better ride there.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Traveling in the military, doing this same thing, there was usually some point along the way where I had to stop and trade one of the kids for the dog, because the kids were fighting and the wife was ready to have a nervous breakdown.

        I think I might have told the story here before about the dog getting sick in the cab of the U-Haul and almost shitting in my daughter’s lap.

        The laughing and puking while my wife cleaned out the cab of the U-Haul is a story we tell every year when the family gets together.

      • R C Dean

        “we could stop long enough to eat, I hate driving and eating”

        Concur. Eating anything while driving creates a mess. I think I can spare the 20 minutes to eat fast food. Or, depending on the trip, an hour to eat regular food.

    • juris imprudent

      Mrs JI and I still use a similar approach.

  7. EvilSheldon

    I’ll go so far as to say, fries are not road food.

    When you’re not on the road? Sriracha ketchup. Thank me later.

    • Nephilium

      I prefer chipotle ketchup to sriracha, but both are acceptable.

      • EvilSheldon

        Chipotle ketchup is good too, but either way I like to make my own, rather than pay for the pre-packaged stuff.

    • R.J.

      That stuff is good.

    • ron73440

      Valentina+ketchup is the best.

      I also makes the best hot wing sauce with Valentina.

    • R C Dean

      Rao’s arrabiata ketchup is the pinnacle of the ketchup maker’s art. Thick, spicy, *chef’s kiss*.

  8. The Bearded Hobbit

    Cholula on fries, rings, chicken strips, you name it. Never liked catsup, but dipping fries in BBQ sauce is good.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      BBQ is too sweet for me, but otherwise you are correct.

    • EvilSheldon

      Cholula is great.

  9. Gender Traitor

    At 1 pm EDT, I get to leave work for the day to go to a hair appointment. My habit on these days is to drive through Raising Cane’s and order a kid’s meal. I always eat the fries first and dip them in the Cane’s sauce. I don’t care if there’s any sauce left for the chicken fingers. 😋🍟

    • Gender Traitor

      Pro tip: if ordering to go, eat S-n-S fries on the way home.

      • Bobarian LMD

        Hotter the better.

    • Rat on a train

      Somebody set up them the bomb?

      • Sensei

        The Gap Band.

    • DEG

      I remember the MOVE bombing too.

  10. The Late P Brooks

    Suicide

    House Republicans are calling for billions of dollars in funding cuts for Biden-era climate and environmental programs, including clean energy tax credits, as lawmakers seek to reverse what one GOP leader called “the most reckless parts of the engorged climate spending” approved under former President Joe Biden.

    Environmental groups warned the proposals would pave the way for more oil and gas industry activity on public lands and increase planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions in the United States.

    ——-

    House Speaker Mike Johnson has set a Memorial Day deadline to pass President Donald Trump’s big bill of tax breaks and spending cuts, and the GOP has scheduled round-the-clock hearings this week on various sections of the bill before they are stitched together in what will become a massive package.

    It’s not a budget, it’s a tax breaks and spending cuts bill, explicitly intended to destroy the government and poison the environment.

    • Suthenboy

      Just spitballing here…an idea that idly crossed my mind….

      “The Green New Deal is hereby repealed. Period. ”

      Where is my fucking Obamacare repeal. I was promised a repeal. I still want it and will never shut up about it until I get it.

      • juris imprudent

        As dumb as Obamacare was in the first place, every argument about repealing it is almost as dumb.

    • rhywun

      planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions

      Too bad for them the public ain’t buying that shit anymore.

    • Ted S.

      What spending cuts?

    • juris imprudent

      This country could never survive govt spending at the 2019 level.

  11. Suthenboy

    Fries, ketchup. The only acceptable substitute is tartar sauce but only allowed in an emergency.
    It is also acceptable to add tabasco sauce to the ketchup.

    • Rat on a train

      malt vinegar in some situations

      • Nephilium

        Malt vinegar in all situations.

      • Raven Nation

        @Neph: correct.

      • Not Adahn

        Non!

        Malt vinegar is good on single-fried raw potatoes and other eat-with-a-fork-soggy fries. Crisp fries need a sauce that doesn’t de-crispify them.

      • ron73440

        Malt vinegar with fish and chips.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        False proposition, NA. There are no non-soggy fries, and, once again, mustard is the only proper condiment.

        Vinegar is used to dissolve rust, that is all.

      • ron73440

        There are no non-soggy fries

        You are definitely doing something wrong.

        Although I prefer onion rings.

      • Bobarian LMD

        May-Oh-Naze!

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Ron, if I wanted a potato chip, I would get a potato chip.

      • juris imprudent

        Vinegar is used to dissolve rust, that is all.

        Laughs at man not realizing how much vinegar is in mustard.

  12. CPRM

    Some drive-thrus have the ketchup that comes in little dipping containers. That is the way they all should be.

    • Bobarian LMD

      CFA FTW.

    • juris imprudent

      Exactly. Nothing edible has ever been packaged in those little packets. That you can’t even open them sometimes should be a clue.

  13. The Late P Brooks

    The Republican move to loosen pollution standards “would mean more smog in our streets,” while cuts to environmental justice block grants “would force low-income communities to pay more for dirtier energy,” she added. “Republicans are sacrificing clean energy on the altar of Big Oil to bankroll another round of tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy.”

    Alexandra Adams, chief policy advocacy officer at the Natural Resources Defense Council, said the Energy and Commerce bill “gives polluters free rein to foul the air and water.” Cleaning up U.S. ports and reducing dangerous methane spewing from oil and gas wells have traditionally received bipartisan support, she said.

    *yawn*

    • rhywun

      Yup. Complete horseshit. They want to pretend it’s still 1955 instead of what they are really doing which is chasing the last 0.0001% of planet-cooking gases at enormous expense.

    • EvilSheldon

      Walter Kirn’s recent comments on ‘immiserators’ seems appropriate here.

    • Akira

      You can rest assured though that every hurricane, forest fire, earthquake, and sick puppy for the next 50 years will be declared to be a direct result of Trumpitler’s shameless slashing of important environmental regulations.

      • Sensei

        How will we know? He is gutting both NOAA and climate science!

    • Suthenboy

      If the US went to zero emissions today it would not make a measurable difference in the production of so called greenhouse gases. China and India are responsible for the vast majority of that. I think China is building 150 coal plants per year.
      Who told the joke recently: “Why dont watermelons care about the emissions of China ? A: Because they are already communist.”

    • juris imprudent

      Republicans are sacrificing clean energy on the altar of Big Oil to bankroll another round of tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy.

      OBJECTION! There was no employment of “Nazi” in that sentence.

  14. ron73440

    Papa tomato, mama tomato and baby tomato are walking down the street.

    Baby tomato can’t keep up, and papa keeps yelling he needs to catch up.

    Baby gets squished by a truck, so papa says: Ketchup!

    • Ted S.

      [ Shpip pats Ron on head and says “Bless his heart” ]

      • ron73440

        i don’t remember where I heard that joke, but I am nowhere near Shpip level.

      • UnCivilServant

        Ron, I have heard variations of that ‘joke’ since I was in elementary school.

      • Nephilium

        ron73440:

        Most infamously in Pulp Fiction, as an example of the bad jokes that Fox Force Five used to end their episodes.

      • EvilSheldon

        Don’t be too hard on Ron – he clearly just nearly OD’d on heroin and got stabbed in the chest with a huge fucking needle…

      • ron73440

        Never saw Pulp Fiction, I have seen the “Say what again!” section and thought that was funny.

  15. Akira

    So I make a “burger sauce” that I saw on a Binging with Babish episode – mayo, ketchup, paprika, garlic powder, salt, and pepper (probably forgetting a couple things there).

    It’s really good on burgers, and not gonna lie, it’s good for dipping fries in as well.

      • Suthenboy

        Remoulade…that reminds me. I need to keep my eyes peeled for green tomatoes. I will have some soon but if I can find them in the grocery store that is even better.
        It is time for freed green tomatoes and crawfish remoulade.

      • Akira

        Oh damn, definitely gonna have to try that one!

      • EvilSheldon

        I am convinced that remoulade was invented by some impoverished coonass, mixing together everything he could find in the icebox to try and cure a particularly brutal hangover.

        Not to say that it’s not good, though. There was a little pizza-subs place back by where I used to live in Maryland that did a tuna steak sandwich with homemade remoulade, man those were good…

      • Suthenboy

        “I am convinced that remoulade was invented by some impoverished coonass, mixing together everything he could find in the icebox….”
        You are partially correct. There were no iceboxes then.
        Every really good food came about as a happy accident in hard times.

  16. The Late P Brooks

    The draft text from the Energy and Commerce committee would reclaim unused billions from several Inflation Reduction Act programs, repeal sections of the Clean Air Act and emphasize support for oil and gas drilling.

    The plan also pulls back money for the Energy Department’s multi-billion dollar loan program for clean energy, the Environmental Protection Agency’s Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund — commonly known as the “green bank” — and certain multistate and offshore wind development.

    Muh slush fund!

    • B.P.

      I like to picture in my mind expensive cars being returned to dealerships, house addition construction projects being cancelled, etc.

      • Akira

        Probably a few private jets being sold in used condition, knowing the kind of people in the Big Environment cabal.

        Hey, maybe Trump is actually reducing greenhouse emissions by making these fatcats unable to afford personal aircraft!!

      • B.P.

        Oh yes. At the very least, the Trump administration should have one of its more fanciful assholes cook up an environmental impact study claiming that very thing (reduced expenditures on a whole bunch of luxuries driving down CO2 emissions), and have that saucy blonde press secretary cram it up every reporter’s ass at a press conference.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Why faniciful?

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        Scratch that, I misread you.

  17. Not Adahn

    The topping (if any) depends on the type of fries. Our Belgian friends are correct: with their type of fries, mayonnaise is excellent.

    • Nephilium

      I will admit a fondness for beer battered fries.

    • Sensei

      Yeah, I knew that story with Roger Smith.

      I’m not a huge fan of Daniel’s escapement. The service interval is too short compared to a lever escapement. Omega bought the rights because Rolex had its free sprung balance and felt it needed to compete.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_escapement

  18. JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

    Today is International Hummus Day, so the real debate is ketchup on your hummus?

    • Akira

      Sriracha, maybe. But not ketchup.

    • Not Adahn

      So that’s why the cafeteria had four varieties of hummus today.

  19. The Late P Brooks

    From RJ’s link:

    So I started jumping in $250,000 increments to try to scare him away.

    It apparently worked.

  20. Gustave Lytton

    Heinz dip & squeeze cups. Heavy pepper on top of ketchup. If you want a tomato sauce. The best is mayo and the best fries are in Amsterdam in the cone cups with your choice of sauce.

    • R.J.

      I was about to ask if anyone does mayo on fries.

    • Mojeaux

      best is Amsterdam

      I BEG TO DIFFER! Belgium, fresh homemade mayo

  21. Gustave Lytton

    Playa Manhattan: “The FUCK is wrong with you? NO FUCKING KETCHUP ON THE ROAD. No exceptions.”

    This guy probably likes the fries at INO. Too bad his internet is working and no sportsball on, so no appearance from him today.

  22. The Other Kevin

    Food related:
    Our annual Sausage Fest is in 2 weeks. This our picnic where we host all the current and former derby girls and hockey teammates and families. I have to make the sausage this weekend and I’m planning the menu, and I’m uninspired. Anyone have suggestions? So far I’m thinking:

    Hawaiian (Mrs. TOK insists)
    Loaded Baked Potato (a fan favorite)
    Poblano Cheddar
    Poblano Peach or Mango
    Ranchero (a new idea, I have some dried peppers I’ll rehydrate to make a sauce and use as the liquid)

    Other good news, the bottom of my old smoker fell apart last year but Mrs. TOK found a seemingly identical one on Facebook Marketplace and I should be picking that up today. Hopefully it’s the same size and I can use the extra shelves from the last one.

    • Nephilium

      I would probably go with a habanero mango instead of poblano, but I’m guessing the heat tolerance isn’t there among the expected guests. Maybe step it up to jalapeno at a minimum? Maybe do a chorizo patty?

      • The Other Kevin

        I have done jalapeno too, maybe make one of those jalapeno and one poblano. Good suggestion.

        Some people can take heat, I think we have more that think mayo is spicy. It is always a balancing act.

      • juris imprudent

        that think mayo is spicy

        Those be the whitest white girls I ever heard of.

      • The Other Kevin

        That garlic one looks good, I might go with that one.

    • Furthest Blue pistoffnick (370HSSV)

      A good spicy Italian sausage?

      • The Other Kevin

        That’s one of my usual ones too. It’s easy because I have the spices on hand and there isn’t anything that needs cutting. I’ll probably do 60-70 pounds of meat on Saturday, so adding an easy one will help.

  23. Mojeaux

    McDonald’s fries (don’t get the hype since they axed the tallow, so I don’t get them at all)

    fat fries – mayo

    crinkle fries – fry sauce (mayo, ketchup)

    waffle fries (no)

    • The Other Kevin

      Which president had the embarrassing brother? Was it Clinton or Carter?

      • kinnath

        Billy Beer

        Billy Carter

      • kinnath

        Clinton just had the blue dress to worry about.

      • Rat on a train

        Bill had to worry about Roger

      • Suthenboy

        The answer is yes.

      • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

        W had Jeb.

      • kinnath

        I forgot about Roger.

      • Suthenboy

        Remember the movie ‘The Beekeeper’?
        One of the points made in the movie that most people seem to have missed is that the people that seek power and wear $10K silk suits are usually the worst, trashiest kinds of people. Naturally they are going to have ‘problem’ family members.

      • Rat on a train

        W also had Neil

      • juris imprudent

        John Quincy Adams (his alcoholic brother Charles)

      • Bobarian LMD

        Roger had to worry about Bill.

  24. Furthest Blue pistoffnick (370HSSV)

    Good fries don’t need a sauce – exception Wendy’s fries dipped in a Wendy’s chocolate frosty.

    Wolfgang Puck’s fast food at one of the Disney parks had the best french fries I’ve ever had. Perfectly cooked (crispy outside, creamy inside). Good salt levels and seasoned with fresh thyme.

    Culver’s has my favorite mass made fries.

    • Not Adahn

      Culvers are good. I also like the 1/8″ shoestrings at Freddy’s

    • CPRM

      The military heads probably told him they already did, just like last time.

  25. CPRM

    I tend to try different sauces with fries, some of which have been great, but I always fall back to just plain ketchup. I lurv me some ketchup.

    I mixed up some concoction with blue cheese dressing that was excellent, but I forgot what all I had mixed into it.

  26. CPRM

    As stated above, I lurv ketchup. I hate those tiny ass paper cups most places give you, so I use the drink lids to get a larger amount of that tomato nectar.

    • ron73440

      You sound like my daughter, when she was young she used fries as a ketchup spoon.

      As an adult, she still does that.

      • Suthenboy

        I have a step-son like your daughter. I once nearly tossed him out when I caught him putting ketchup on a perfectly cooked Ribeye. That is truly a crime against….something.

      • Gender Traitor

        ketchup on a perfectly cooked Ribeye

        A perfectly grilled ribeye needs NOTHING. Even the best steak sauce is an insult to its perfection.

      • The Other Kevin

        GT gets it. If the steak is seasoned right, it needs no sauce. And in most cases, salt and pepper are adequate.

      • Sean

        perfectly cooked Ribeye

        Suthen over cooks his ribeyes.

        No more than 130° before pulling it from the grill.

      • juris imprudent

        A perfectly grilled ribeye needs NOTHING.

        I wouldn’t object to either sauteed mushrooms, or alternatively, a good (i.e. fresh-made) chimichurri.

      • Suthenboy

        JI – sautéed sweet onion also acceptable. Or why not both?
        Dammit, now I am hungry.

  27. Sean

    You people are odd. 😛

    I played https://squaredle.com 05/12 (Weekly Subscriber Puzzle):
    *113/113 words (+56 bonus words)
    📖 In the top 1% by bonus words

    • Rat on a train

      I’m even odder.

  28. DEG

    Fast food fries, most particularly McDonald’s fries, demand ketchup.

    No. They just need more salt.

    I do sometimes dip fries in ketchup so I’m not opposed to fries and ketchup, but salt. They’re never salty enough.

    Alternatively: Get your fries via poutine.

    • Nephilium

      Fries need to be salted right when they come out of the fryer, otherwise the salt just bounces off. When I worked at McDonald’s, there was even a special salting motion we were supposed to use to salt the fries (three arches).

      One local chain has an abomination on their menu called cottage fries. Deep fried potato pieces that are intentionally served unsalted.

      • kinnath

        cottage fries . . . . sounds great

      • Bobarian LMD

        The best alternative? JoJo potatoes.

      • Nephilium

        Bobarian LMD:

        Jojo’s aren’t bad, but they are not the best. Patatas bravas is the best, alternatively, twice fried potato chunks with sherry vinegar work in a pinch.

        And that’s not even getting into the pierogi delivery methods of potatoes.

  29. Timeloose

    McD’s ketchup in packets tastes better and seems to have a higher vinegar content than the bottle.

    Other sauces are fine as well: Mayo, remoulade, malt vinegar, various gravies, salsa, and chili.

    By the way is it obvious I like French fries?

  30. DEG

    And as for eating while driving: No. When it is time to eat while on a road trip, I want to not be in my car.

  31. Suthenboy

    A side note on this subject: Most condiments at restaurants in the US are complimentary so customers take them for granted. In HS I worked in a fried chicken joint and loved the various condiments. When the owner noticed how much I was eating he showed me his invoices. I was shocked to learn how expensive those little packets of condiments are. I started bringing my own condiments to work.
    Restaurants are low profit margin businesses to start with and those condiments are a major overhead expense. Keep that in mind when using them.

    • rhywun

      I have always noticed that everyone else piles on like half a bottle’s worth of ketchup for a single order of fries.

      I take exactly what I need. I guess I am just wired that way.

      • Suthenboy

        One of my best professors – Econ 101, day one. He did not introduce himself. Old grumpy guy walks into the class, looks over his glasses at us and sternly says “FREE. If you use that word in my class I will fail you. I dont care what you score on the test. There is no such thing as free. I dont care what it is, someone somewhere is paying for it.”

        I had been reading Heinlein and was familiar with TANSTAAFL. I was an instant fan.

    • Ed Wuncler

      +1

      I remember when I worked at Jimmy Johns during college and used to give a fuck load of napkins to the customers until the owner (and now good friend) showed me how much those napkins cost even in bulk. I started being more judicious on how many napkins I gave to the customers.

    • Bobarian LMD

      Bob at Taco Bell: “Give me two packets of Fire.”

      Somewhere between 10-15 packets will be in my bag.

  32. The Late P Brooks

    I also like the 1/8″ shoestrings at Freddy’s

    Hmmmm. I always order onion rings. I might have to give them a try. I like shoestring fries best, even if they do get cold in a hurry.

  33. Ownbestenemy

    If the fry is done correctly, no ketsup or other sauce is needed and merely adds to

    • R C Dean

      Narrator: the fries are never done correctly.