R.I.P. or Not?

by | Jan 20, 2025 | AI | 237 comments

R.I.P. or Not?

There is a fair amount of speculation, not just in the tech world among starry-eyed futurists but in the mainstream medical community, that Artificial Intelligence may give us the possibility of extending life and even reversing the aging process. The prediction I have heard is that if we can extend life to 150 years the people that live that long will likely have the option of living as long as they please. That seems both stunning and frightening to me. It certainly presents some interesting questions.

There was some discussion here recently about how one’s perception of time changes throughout life. What does not change it seems is one’s desire to live as long as they are in decent shape physically and mentally. Because those are not two separate things the way we normally think of them (body and spirit) Psychiatrists are proposing the possibility that by the same means we might be able to maintain mental health.

Would you want to live forever? How might our perception of time change after 200 years? Would age cease to be of any importance? How would we view young people if you were 500 years old? How would young people see you? How would we prevent culture, society and institutions from ossifying? Would we even have such things? Would our nature change over time to the point where the ‘elders’ and the youth would be essentially different animals?

My ability to suspend disbelief has been greatly diminished. The SciFi movies portraying such things as plot devices keep coming true. For those of you old enough, remember Star Trek back in the day? Spielberg’s A.I. Artificial Intelligence is looking less fantastic these days. 

Someone go tag Ron Bailey and drag him into this. I am certain he has given this some thought. 

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Suthenboy

Suthenboy

No more mountains to climb, no more monsters to slay. Been there, done that. The company of my wife, good coffee, a good dog and a warm fire is all I need.

237 Comments

  1. juris imprudent

    Assume the singularity and humanity is no longer humanity. I’m content with what, and who, I am (and am still becoming) – and that coming to an end.

  2. kinnath

    I just watched Trump’s speech.

    Fuck me. I feel cheerful.

    This can’t last.

  3. Mojeaux

    In Dr. Who, there is a character named Me. She is gifted/cursed immortality. There is one poignant scene where she shows someone a library, but they are all her journals because she can’t remember much of her life because it has been so long. It was actually quite an eye-opening episode because of the philosophical question of the pros/cons of immortality.

    No god of any religion ever promised human immortality. Seeking it seems to be more a thought experiment than anything else. But of course, be careful what you wish for.

    • rhywun

      I miss Dr. Who that doesn’t suck.

      • Gender Traitor

        #metoo 😢

      • Sensei

        That ship has sailed.

      • Sean

        *sigh*

      • The Hyperbole

        Even classic Dr. Who sucked it was just that we didn’t know any better. A fucking robot dog called K9 for fucks sake.

      • Sean

        I can’t even, the hyperbole.

        Can’t even!

      • rhywun

        Although struldbruggs do not die, they do continue aging

        Gah, horrifying.

    • SarumanTheGreat

      What’s the point of living forever if one cannot enjoy it or use it? Immortality without eternal youthfulness is not a place I would want to go.

      The Greeks might have been the first to discuss this problem, re the myth of Tithonus lover of Eos, the goddess of dawn.

      Others include Jonathan Swift with his Struldbrugs.

      Innumerable SF and fantasy writers have also touched on the subject, including Tolkien, Linebarger (Norstrilia), Niven (Known Space), and many others.

  4. The Other Kevin

    All the health books these days emphasize having more healthy years vs just more years. That’s the key.

    But living forever? Doesn’t appeal to me.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      I would be happy living forever, I just need to know that I can die.

  5. Yusef drives a Kia

    I could live forever, put my soul in a Cylon raider and see ya!
    Im goin space truckin

  6. Rat on a train

    Since Trump is pulling the US out of the WHO, we’ll all be dead by the end of the year.

  7. Tundra

    Would you want to live forever?

    I’m gonna.

    Nice article, Suthen. I’m with Kevin, do the best you can and move on.

  8. Grumbletarian

    I think the more appealing idea is living as long as you want to. Give me a couple hundred years and get back to me if I want some more time. Living forever is just a different form of a trap one cannot escape.

  9. creech

    Imagine going to a lecture given by one of the signers of the Declaration or joining Aaron Burr for target practice.

    • Fourscore

      If I want a lecture I’ll just go get a pint of cheap whiskey

      • Homple

        The late J. I. Rodale had a protocol also. Look it up if you’re interested.

        “On June 7, 1971, Jerome Irving Rodale appeared on “The Dick Cavett Show.” The elder statesman of a growing organic food trend, he gushed about the health benefits of his diet, boasting that he “never felt better” and that he “decided to live to a hundred.” But after a commercial break, as Cavett interviewed his second guest, what sounded like a loud snore rose from Rodale’s end of the couch. The audience twittered, thinking that he was pulling a prank. But Cavett knew. When he looked over at Rodale’s bloodless pallor and gaping mouth his suspicion was confirmed—America’s most famous natural-health figure was dead of a heart attack at 72.”

        https://gizmodo.com/mr-organic-died-during-a-tv-interview-after-saying-h-1618374387

      • Suthenboy

        How did I not know about this? That is hilarious.

        “Dying is what happens while you are making other plans.” – Sam Clemens

  10. Don escaped Memphis

    perception of time changes throughout life

    I live more in the present than ever thanks to NewWife,

    but there is still The Weight; it grows. Maybe a bunch of us could live past 100 together, maybe that could be made reasonable and comfortable, but it wouldn’t come true for all of us. There would still be death and divorce and separation and loss and cancer and car wrecks and gravity and impotence……things. And there is only so much repression a man can muster: you just run out of room to hide in and distractions to revel in and sooner or later everything you once loved reminds you of why you loved it: the joy of sharing, experiencing….and every thing and every place reminds you of someone you loved who is gone.

    For you zen masters, another century might work out. I have a tough decade ahead of me, maybe another one after that. Again, today is sublime, lucky….but this good shit can only last so long.

    We fly away.

    • Grumbletarian

      Missed it by eight minutes.

      • Rat on a train

        But you answered in the form of a question.

  11. Evan from Evansville

    Um. I am so happy to see this at CNN: “Trump Ends All January 6 Cases – President pardons 1,500 rioters, launches immigration crackdown, pauses TikTok ban and orders US withdrawal from WHO among other actions.”

    I don’t care the fights and gnashing over it all later. Public sentiment has been seething and some chances to vent are in due order. I hope THEN the Rheeee-ers will finally be confronted with how fucking retarded they’ve been. That would bring an interesting host of issues with it, as well. Namely, mental health explosions. I’m hopeful, not optimistic.

  12. The Bearded Hobbit

    Another sort-of related question.

    In Heinlein’s Lifeline a guy came up with a way to calculate the date and time of your death. If something like that were available, would you want to know?

    • kinnath

      no

    • rhywun

      That’s a No, dawg.

    • R C Dean

      Fuck.

      No.

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      In a certain Tim Powers novel, about time travel of course, the main character knows the time and date of his death, as he wrote the biography 200 years later.

      Turns out he was wrong.

    • Fourscore

      Flip Wilson said his uncle knew the exact day, hour and minute that he would die.

      ‘Cause the judge told him…

    • Don escaped Memphis

      meet you halfway: tell me the decade

      I worry that I’m working to hard and too long
      and don’t want to die with money in the bank

      • Fourscore

        The check to the funeral home is supposed to bounce

  13. Chipping Pioneer

    ‘Member when he promised to pardon Ross Ulbricht?

  14. Chipping Pioneer

    ‘Member when he promised to put a libertarian in his cabinet?

  15. sloopyinca

    Nobody watching the game?

    • Gender Traitor

      I am. 😁

      • sloopyinca

        It’s fucking MAGNIFICENT!!!!!!!

      • Gender Traitor

        …as is my boss, who texted me before the game even started, saying he was going to be late tomorrow. 😄

      • sloopyinca

        I’ll do links tomorrow. They will probably be a shitshow.

      • The Hyperbole

        Meh, Glad tOSU is winning but would have liked a competitive game. Might as well turn it off and read a book.

      • Shpip

        This is really no surprise to anyone who has followed Domer football the last twenty years. Every few seasons, Notre Dame puts up a gaudy record, then gets blown out by a quality team in their last game of the year.

        2006: Fiesta Bowl vs Ohio State L 34-20
        2007: Sugar Bowl vs LSU L 41-14
        2013: BCS Championship vs Alabama L 42-14
        2016: Fiesta Bowl vs Ohio State L 44-28
        2018: Cotton Bowl (College Playoff semifinal) vs Clemson L 30-3
        2021: Rose Bowl (College Playoff semi) vs Bama L 31-14

        Only difference this year is that they beat a couple of decent teams on the way to their latest humiliation.

      • sloopyinca

        Igbinosun, you stupid fuck. They’re back in the game because you couldn’t cover a telephone pole without hugging it.

      • The Hyperbole

        Here we go, make them earn this one, it means so much more when one has to work for it.

      • sloopyinca

        It’s closer than it should be. Fuck. I’m still nervous.

    • kinnath

      what game?

      • sloopyinca

        Foosball!

      • kinnath

        College football ended January 1st. Just like it always does.

    • Grummun

      I’ve seen three games this afternoon and tonight: Sabers/Kraken, Blues/Knights and now Canes/Blackhawks. Surprising amount of hockey on MLK day. I’ll refrain from guessing why that might be.

      • rhywun

        lol

      • rhywun

        I caught the last few minutes of the Sabres game… yep, they still suck.

      • slumbrew

        Bruins managed not to lose to the Sharks, despite trying their best.

    • Rat on a train

      Is Cal losing?

    • rhywun

      It’s good background noise until a decent tennis match comes on at 10PM.

      • rhywun

        And… the American demonstrates with great clarity why he’s not a top 10 player. Jeez, dude.

        I have thoughts on why Americans suck at tennis but not tonight.

        /zzzz soon

    • juris imprudent

      I’ll just watch a replay of the Michigan game.

    • Grumbletarian

      The Celtics throttled the Warriors by 40 points. Glorious.

  16. Mojeaux

    My mom just discovered the glories of streaming. She saw a Despicable Me 4 tile and went, “Can I watch that or is it an ad?” “Nope, you can watch that.”

    😀

    • UnCivilServant

      “Both, it’s an ad you can watch”

      😛

      • Mojeaux

        That, but really, she’s almost back to normal, except for the ability to shuffle around with her walker. She’s been in bed over 2 weeks.

        In the midst of getting PT arranged so she can do that. They have a boutique service of docs who make house calls, so I got her in with them, and so bye bye Dr. Asshole.

        All in all, she’s happier than I’ve seen her in a while.

      • Fourscore

        Good to hear, Moj

      • rhywun

        👍

    • trshmnstr

      We saw that one at the drive in this summer. It way okay. The girls liked it, but I think it was more about the experience than the actual movie.

      • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

        drive in

        A WHAT now?

        /actshully, I have had some great experiences at drive-in theaters – still haven’t given my undivided attention to “Good Morning, Vietnam” – the windows were a little fogged up.

  17. R.J.

    Speaking of living forever, did I miss The Village People?

      • Mojeaux

        Also nice, but I really REALLY love Sarah Brightman’s voice, which is out of character for me because generally, I don’t like sopranos.

  18. Tundra

    Thrilled about the J6 peeps.

    What about Ross?

  19. Fourscore

    I have been fortunate in both kinds of health, more or less. I see a decline in physical health now, loss of strength, partly due to lack of exercise/work. The ol’ prostate talks to me a few times every night and all day long but so far I’m not Depends-able. Were it not for a little ‘trip’ a few years ago I’d be in the woods making firewood this time of year. Eye sight is changing and not for the better but glasses cover for me. These I have now say “Coke” across the middle.

    I’m seeing a very noticeable problem in not being able to find a word or name in conversation, even when I’m talking to myself. Very common among my age group.
    So far we’ve managed to avoid Bidenism but that’s probably on the horizon.

    As far as wanting to live longer it’s a real toss up. Losing friends and the accompanying loneliness, watching friends in decline. Kids/grand kids have their own lives and interests now. Things that used to be important are not so important. Losing the independence that we once had is difficult to accept.

    We are fortunate in that we are financially comfortable and don’t have that worry. I’m happy to wake up with the Glibs, Mrs F is happy to enjoy to go home shopping every day. UPS folks are like family these days, their visits are so frequent.

    • Don escaped Memphis

      not being able to find a word

      aphasia: I couldn’t remember…had to look it up

    • rhywun

      I’m starting to get senior moments too.

      Seems unfair cuz I have to wait a few more years to get senior discounts.

    • Fourscore

      Robby Soave is not the only guy that can’t change a tire. I think about those sorts of things when I’m out and about. For example, we’re in the middle of a deep freeze, we just stay home in this kind of weather. The slightest error in judgement could be a disaster, at night certainly.

      • rhywun

        middle of a deep freeze, we just stay home

        I haven’t gone outside today. 7° now.

        I have to walk to the dentist tomorrow morning ugh.

    • pistoffnick (370HSSV)

      Losing the independence that we once had is difficult to accept.

      Preach! I’m glad I hired the people I did at work. I can’t throw or lift 200 lb. hydraulic actuators like I used to.

      After two knee replacements, I can’t kneel like I used to. Getting on the roof is an ordeal.

      If I could live forever as 19 year old pistoffnick (who was still pissed off, hot-headed, but fucking gorgeous), with a strong back, a full mullet, tanned skin, a skinny little butt; I would.

      • rhywun

        Yeah, where you freeze time makes a big difference. I looked about 12 when I was 19.

        I peaked at around 30 so let’s leave it there.

  20. Shpip

    Nature is healing

    I’m sure there will be much discussion about this tomorrow morning.

    • juris imprudent

      Of course he pardoned them – he can’t execute his next coup without all of them. [There is your “discussion”.]

    • rhywun

      OFFS. No mention of the FBI members who played, you know, actual roles there?

      Never change, The New York Times.

      • juris imprudent

        OK, now you’ve got me smiling thinking that maybe Ray Epps gets his now. Not likely, but a lovely thought.

      • rhywun

        Or we’ll finally find out who planted those bombs.

    • Brochettaward

      My favorite aspect of all of this is the DOJ announcing that any J6’er who takes a pardon is admitting their guilt…the same day that Biden issued blanket pardons for the likes of Fauci.

  21. The Hyperbole

    Only women and children want to live forever.

    • Fourscore

      Including ex-wives.

    • juris imprudent

      Now, would you want to live forever, or if not forever, maybe several millennia – if you were the only one to do so? In other words you outlive all of your friends, children, grandchildren…

      • rhywun

        There are always new friends, children, and grandchildren.

      • Fourscore

        No one wants to hang around with old guys, unless they’re buying the drinks

      • juris imprudent

        Now there’s a thought – you live for thousands of years, when do you get to retire?

      • rhywun

        You “retire” when whoever you’re currently married to retires. Then when they’re gone, you start over.

  22. KK, Plump & Unfiltered

    Still waiting for the Ross pardon. He has 2 and 1/2 hours…

    • The Last American Hero

      McCardle just tweeted it’s on the list for today or tomorrow. Musk tweeted eat that it will happen.

  23. cavalier973

    Existing forever and living forever are two different things.

    • juris imprudent

      Yeah, I don’t think either is a real worry.

  24. kinnath

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/return-to-in-person-work/

    Heads of all departments and agencies in the executive branch of Government shall, as soon as practicable, take all necessary steps to terminate remote work arrangements and require employees to return to work in-person at their respective duty stations on a full-time basis, provided that the department and agency heads shall make exemptions they deem necessary.

    This memorandum shall be implemented consistent with applicable law.

    That’s the full text.

    • KK, Plump & Unfiltered

      This better not apply to contractors. I WON’T GO BACK!

      • juris imprudent

        You know the gov-e’s you work with – you think they’re not going to subject you to what they have to live with?

    • juris imprudent

      Maybe Trump really has taken that Churchill quote about surviving being shot at, to heart.

    • Tundra

      Just fucking do it.

    • rhywun

      🤯

  25. creech

    Should have been tOSU vs. tPSU. Viewers would be on pins and needles waiting to see how Coach Franklin could blow another close game.

    • Dr. Fronkensteen

      I don’t see it. Besides he hates libertarians. Ok he hates Nick Gillespie, still.

      • Brochettaward

        I hate Nick Gillespie. What were we talking about again?

      • The Last American Hero

        Nick is more jacket than man these days. Twisted and evil.

      • rhywun

        Wait… Fetterman appeared on Maher long before anyone knew who he was?!

        And apparently a few rounds of Ozempic ago, yikes.

  26. Don escaped Memphis

    Suthen gets the gang thinking and commenting

    nice idea

  27. KK, Plump & Unfiltered

    I’m still calling it Denali though. That’s a way more badass name than some politician nobody remembers even though he got assassinated.

    • rhywun

      I like Mt. McKinley because he was shot in Buffalo and it inspired a local band whose name I can’t find right now but still.

    • UnCivilServant

      No, Denali is a terrible name

      • Fourscore

        Denali today, Denali tomorrow, Denali forever !

      • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

        Denali is not just a river in Egypt.

      • dbleagle

        I climbed Mt McKinley back in 1980. I have never called it Denali but I have no great issue with this. Denali means great one” and when you can see it, it DOES dominate.

        Most names changes I am totally against. It is still Squaw Peak in Phoenix, Molly’s Nipple in southern Utah, and so on. But Denali kinda does work.

      • slumbrew

        Huh, all the maps still showed it as Molly’s Nipple when I was there a few months ago.

        *checks*

        Heh, there are seven Nipples

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mollie%27s_Nipple

        What do people want to rename them to?

      • rhywun

        the name given to as many as seven peaks, at least one butte

        Huh huh he said “butt”.

  28. KK, Plump & Unfiltered

    Props to my colleagues on the White House web team, who probably worked a lot of hours this weekend to get this up and running (I keep refreshing to see Ross updates)

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/

    • UnCivilServant

      While I like the restoration of Mt McKinley, that Gulf of America nonsense in the same order is stupid.

      • rhywun

        He can’t help himself.

      • Dr. Fronkensteen

        Agreed

  29. Ownbestenemy

    Hiring Freeze

    Well damn cause there was a 1 year temp detail up that I really wanted.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Ah looks like that position would fall in the exemptions.

    • UnCivilServant

      To be fair, when the other orders initiate a revamp of the hiring process and the removal of DEI policies, you kind of have to freeze hiring until that is ironed out, just to avoid chaos.

      • Ownbestenemy

        For sure, a freeze makes complete sense.

  30. J. Frank Parnell

    There’s an interesting thing in Neal Asher’s Polity books where people tend to get bored after about 200 years and start doing increasingly reckless and dangerous stuff until they get themselves permanently killed.

    • slumbrew

      I was just thinking about the ‘ennui barrier’.

      The flip side is if they make it through that stage they’re good for hundreds of years.

      Also, I just learned he released a new book in September 👍

      • Evan from Evansville

        “The flip side is if they make it through t̵h̵a̵t̵ ̵s̵t̵a̵g̵e̵ their 20s they’re good for hundreds of years.”

        True for all humanity, but what comes ’round, stays.

      • SarumanTheGreat

        I forgot ZARDOS! That’s the whole premise of the story.

    • SarumanTheGreat

      The same think happens in Niven’s Known Space. One of his early stories involve an immortal so bored with life he decided to kidnap and hold for ransom a famous alien artist. It didn’t turn out well for him.

      As for me, youthful immortality (or even immortality as I am now, minus the diabetes) would be fine, I’m not someone who needs people, I can always find things to research, new places to explore, stories to write, etc. It might pall after a hundred years or so though.

  31. Shpip

    Proof positive that The Almighty has a sense of humor, but it’s mostly slapstick and irony:

    Cecile Richards, a women’s rights crusader who served as president of Planned Parenthood as the nation approached a critical inflection point over reproductive freedom, has died, her family said Monday in a statement.

    Unnoticed due to larger events. I can’t say I’m unhappy with that.

    • PieInTheSky

      I hope this does not include the one billion for Pie payment…

  32. slumbrew

    Well, now.

    I’m glad I left this game on.

  33. Brochettaward

    Does Sloopy still think the game is magnificent?

    • slumbrew

      He can’t type right now, busy chewing his fingers off.

      • slumbrew

        He’s back off the ledge.

    • rhywun

      lol

  34. Urthona

    Shit.

    Not a big Trump fan, but so far the dude ain’t messing around.

  35. Gender Traitor

    Whew! 😅 I won’t have to tiptoe around my boss tomorrow! (Unless he’s REALLY hungover!)

  36. Brochettaward

    Bill Burr is such a tool. Comedian who speaks power to the small folk. Mocking people because they dared to question the response to the LA fires.

    Hey, asshole…if they aren’t qualified to point out basic shit like water helps fight fires, you sure as shit aren’t qualified to say that the fire was managed correctly.

    • trshmnstr

      He’s George Carlin with the insufferability turned up to 11 and the intelligence turned down to 2.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        There is always at least one comedian who I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how that person was ever thought funny. Bill Burr, Louis CK, etc. They don’t make jokes, they just pontificate, and expect you to laugh.

  37. Gender Traitor

    It cracks me up that “Fat Bottomed Girls” has apparently entered the standard marching band repertoire. 😄

    • UnCivilServant

      What? No! That’s just wrong.

      • Shpip

        I can only assume that the band played that when the Marshall baton twirlers came on the field pre-game.

    • rhywun

      I had to look that up and still unfamiliar with it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      /was never a big fan

  38. IComeHere4TheComments

    “Fruit Sushi” is on Fox News tonight…

    • Ayn Random Variation

      How did you avoid hearing these Queens songs??

      • rhywun

        Assuming that’s for me… just tuned ’em out, I guess? They really do nothing for me.

  39. UnCivilServant

    I don’t want to go to work tomorrow, but I have to go to work tomorrow.

    I have to do the stuff I procrastinated on last week.

  40. trshmnstr

    The Mustache™️ got his security clearance yanked!

    I didn’t have that on my inauguration day bingo card.

  41. PieInTheSky

    Did the good guys win the footballs?

    Mornin glibsters

    • Ayn Random Variation

      Yes, The Ohio St. kicked a last second FG to cover the 8.5 point spread.

  42. Ayn Random Variation

    Regarding the topic, I read all of the Ann Rice vampire books in the 90s, and some of the vampires would kill themselves at some point over the sorrow of all the losses they had after “living” hundreds of years. Also, the amount of societal change over the years would depress them.
    I’ve hit my 50’s and am already screaming at clouds. I can’t imagine another couple hundred years of this.

    • PieInTheSky

      some of the vampires would kill themselves at some point over the sorrow of all the losses they had after “living” hundreds of years – sounds unrealistic

      • Mojeaux

        Nice deflection.

      • Ayn Random Variation

        I was such a vampire lore nut in college that I would scream “that’s not how it works!” during bad vampire movies.

      • Gender Traitor

        Nice deflection

        I thought Pie didn’t cast a deflection. 🤔

      • Evan from Evansville

        Meh, All comes from our perception, often with inflection.

        Vampires see the mirror and say, what’s to mention?

  43. Raven Nation

    “ In the end, it was the Sunday afternoons he couldn’t cope with, and that terrible listlessness which starts to set in at about 2:55, when you know that you’ve had all the baths you can usefully have that day, that however hard you stare at any given paragraph in the papers you will never actually read it, or use the revolutionary new pruning technique it describes, and that as you stare at the clock the hands will move relentlessly on to four o’clock, and you will enter the long, dark teatime of the soul.”

  44. Gustave Lytton

    Finally back from the snow.

    We’re on septic and don’t use the garbage disposal as an all purpose grinder. It’s for the little bits that get by the strainer basket. Everything with debris gets scraped or wiped into the garbage first.

  45. Gustave Lytton

    Recall Milley to active duty, rip his stars off, and keep him on active duty as shitter cleaner at the Pentagon from 8pm to 5am every day. Performance manage him to Levenworth.

    Fuck that fat tun of lard.

  46. Gustave Lytton

    Strip Fauci’s pensions down to the lowest possible federal pension, and deduct his over payments from the pension amount.

    Admin fuck those weasels.

    • Pope Jimbo

      For sure Faucci should lose his govt security detail

  47. Suthenboy

    Dammit. My hours are off. Twice now I was unable to stay awake and participate in commenting. My apologies.

    Swift and his Struldbrugg: It is a common theme inflicted on us by reality that gives rise to “Be careful what you wish for”. Still, when we imagine genies in bottles, immortality, lottery winnings etc we always imagine good luck being shadowed by disaster. It isn’t necessarily true. Most of the time we bring that disaster on ourselves. Now I have to bring up the Bob Newhart skit “Stop it!” and the old joke “Doc, it hurts when I do this…”.

    One cannot be happy with intellectual immortality? Most people are doomed to forever be hedonistic, self indulgent monkeys? Fuck ’em then.

  48. Gustave Lytton

    I hope CBP revokes all Advanced Parole for those “asylum” and Dreamer shitbirds using it as a travel pass to return to their native countries and then reenter this country. Refuse entry and send them right back permanently.

    • Suthenboy

      I dont think the replace western culture with primitives people realized how far past tolerance they pushed things. The shame of it is that yes, there are people who deserve asylum and people we should want here who will now be tossed out or denied because of that.
      Personally I am at the ‘Oh well’ state. Get rid of the child rape and drug fiends. If that is what it takes then so be it.
      Also, if we have to treat the drug cartels the way we treated ISIS I am ok with that as well.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Genuine asylum seekers would not be vacationing back in the country they’re seeking asylum from.

      • Suthenboy

        Oh yeah. That lot. I forgot about that demographic.
        It is very clear that the majority of illegals are here to take advantage of free shit spun as ‘seeking a better life’. Ok, go home and clean up your own house so you can have a better life.

        I recently heard a Venezuelan explain that we owe him money, a place to live and a college education because “You have it and I dont”
        I wonder why they dont have it? It’s a mystery. We may never know. Magic dirt?

  49. Suthenboy

    Ann Rice: She dealt with the problem by having her characters commit suicide or by going into hibernation for approximately one lifetime then waking up and starting over.
    No one mentioned ZARDOZ. I am disappointed.
    Me? People are writing and thinking of interesting stuff faster than I can consume it. I could spend at least one lifetime trying to keep up.

    I am 20 years younger than 4X20 but already noticing what he mentioned…after a while you miss so much you have lost in the way of friends and family that it is more than yo have left. Also, My brother and I recently visited the place where we grew up. It doesnt exist anymore.

  50. LCDR_Fish

    There are a lot of experiences out there – that would take time. I guess it depends how you want to live.

    I mean…if you’ve got one lifetimes money in the bank…and you’re still 35 yrs old physically…why not start over again in another career from the ground up? Farming, shipbuilding, etc – take chances, try different things…keep learning.

    The Culture novels by Iain Banks also cover some of the “indefinite” life in safety – with people taking stupid risks because they can be cloned, or saved by their brainstem, etc.

    Big picture for me though…over 40 now…slowing down in some ways…but still got eternal life waiting – even if it’s not the same as a normal existence here.

    • Suthenboy

      “…not the same as a normal existence here.”

      I never tire of discussing metaphysics. One of the problems we have is making distinctions and drawing lines where none exist. It is useful, it has survival value that is certain, but in the bigger understanding of things it is a distraction that leads us astray.

    • UnCivilServant

      6 degrees with a wind chill of -5 here.

    • Gender Traitor

      Good morning, Sean, U, Stinky, Grumble, and Suthen, good afternoon, Fishy, and good….whatever the hell it is where you are, Your Holiness!

      6 degrees here in SW OH, “Feels like -7.”

      • UnCivilServant

        How goes? Other than the wind chill

      • Gender Traitor

        Pretty well. I have to order catering for a lunch on Thursday, and there’ll be a ton of mail, of course. Other than that, I mainly have to finally finish the minutes of a quarterly meeting that happened in November before tonight’s Board meeting gives me ANOTHER set of minutes to write up (and before we schedule the NEXT quarterly meeting, which will probably be early next month.)

        How about you?

      • UnCivilServant

        I want a vacation. The brightest spot in my house right now are the two pepper sprouts.

        In things outstanding, I have to

        – Resume recording the z80 Clock circuit video
        – Test the new 3D printer
        – finish some paint projects
        – Get some writing done on “On Unknown Shores”, “Prince Arvid’s Periplus”, and “Phaeton”
        – clean
        – do laundry
        – sort hobby stuff
        – set up a brighter grow light for the peppers
        – figure out the mohs hardness of 90s era citadel minis
        – clean up the oldhammer modles from Wylie and build the diarama
        – schedule the pistol permit safety class
        – schedule the fingerprinting
        – get the reference check paperwork from my references
        – file said paperwork and try not to get rejected for being pro-gun
        – get my middle finger to heal
        – keep weight off my right knee while it recovers from having a 3D printer dropped on it
        – finish archiving my dvd collection
        – etc…

      • Gender Traitor

        – get my middle finger to heal
        – keep weight off my right knee while it recovers from having a 3D printer dropped on it

        Seem like highest priority (well, maybe after laundry,) but not necessarily a lot you can actively do to complete them. 😕

      • UnCivilServant

        Sure there is – I… um… err…

  51. Sean

    I don’t care what some of you think, I’m excited for 2025.

    Trump, Trumpety, Trump, Trump.

    • Stinky Wizzleteats

      He pardoned Ulbricht yet?

      • Sean

        He’s tagged almost all J6s and Bevelyn Williams so far.

  52. Stinky Wizzleteats

    “Bill Burr is such a tool.”
    Yet another comedian whose funniness was murdered by mainstream success (The Mandalorian) that’s contingent upon saying the right things and going out and sucking the various latenight hosts’ cocks. His fake Boston working stiff schtick was getting old anyway.

    • rhywun

      Which incidents? “Recent ones” according to the article or the not recent ones I remember from last year? The years before?

      Anyway it sounds like more of the same bullshit to me. “Accident” my ass.

    • LCDR_Fish

      That is looking at a pretty recent timeline. There is still the Chinese ship with a Russian crew that dragged their anchor for over a hundred miles – and cut some cables several months ago.

      Its a busy traffic area but there’s been a lot going on and if you’re looking at a limited scope you can discount other actual events.

  53. Pope Jimbo

    What if immortality was possible, but only a few uber-wealthy people knew about it?

    My old business partner and I used to speculate that a secret cabal had figured out how to clone people and transfer brains. Those who were in on the secret would get a brand new 20 something body every couple decades and have their brain put into it.

    Remember that guy you knew back when you were a youngster who had a nice car, good looks and could talk to girls? He lived in a nice apartment and had all sorts of sophisticated tastes (aka he drank decent booze). Yeah, that was one of the clones.

    I could put a lot of miles on the odometer if I could get a new body every few decades. Especially if it was a secret and I wasn’t some pervy creeper hitting on young ladies, but instead a cool guy who all the young gals dug.

    • Grumbletarian

      The clone of Dorian Gray?

      • Suthenboy

        I dont think Dorian Grey is all that interested in the ladies.

        Here is a thought: I am 30 something years into a very happy marriage. I wouldn’t trade a second of it for all the money in the world. If I were immortal and somehow ended up single I dont really see going about that again. I got really really lucky finding Mrs. Suthenboy. She is a one in a million.
        Over the years being single and since then watching others I think despite my 100% straightness and the absolute allure women have over me I think they have just about beaten it out of me. I am not sure I would go about catting around or seeking to take the risk of a total plunge again. I think I would be directing my efforts somewhere else.

      • Fourscore

        A -31 this morning, coolest day of the winter but no wind chill. Jimbo, you see what you’re missing?

        ” and I wasn’t some pervy creeper hitting on young ladies”

        80 does not go into 40 nor vice-versa

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        Is -31 cold enough to do the throw a pot of water in the air and it comes down as snow trick?

      • Fourscore

        Maybe. I’ve seen it on TV but never tried it myself. I’m not trying it today, I’ll see if any local station runs it. I filled my wood box yesterday when it was -14, then I ran, well, limped slowly, back inside.

        At about a -40 trees begin to split the bark and make popping sounds.

  54. Grumbletarian

    Have articles of impeachment been filed yet against Trumpenfuhrer? Literally dodging a bullet that would have prevented his return to the White House is clearly an act of treason, right?

    • Suthenboy

      They have fallen into being the party of cutting their nose off to spite everyone’s face. Granted, they didnt have far to fall. They were always about destruction of the old order – i.e. undoing any progress toward or vestige of a free society.
      They have completely lost their shit because Trump is a threat to their quest for total power and sinking their snouts up to their ears in the govt. trough. He is not the threat I wanted but he is the one we have.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        It’s funny how the contrived Trumpenhitler stuff has completely backfired on them. If they’d have kissed his ass and worked with him on the stuff he was amenable to, the guy’s practically Bill Clinton with a golden toilet (or was first term but I think the legal warfare has radicalized him a bit) policywise afterall, they could have played him like a fiddle but they chose to try to destroy him instead. In retrospect an enormous mistake of which the intelligent ones of them seem well aware.

      • Ted S.

        It got them four years of power.

      • Suthenboy

        The intelligent ones? Both of them?

      • Suthenboy

        Speaking of which…I was recently encouraged to listen to Bill Mahr. I had given up on the guy years ago but I gave it a try. I remembered very quickly why I gave up on him. He is what I would describe as an articulate moron. I see the ‘intelligent’ leftists that way to a man.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        You kid but plenty of Dems are whip smart and devious and they use the dumber or just politically uninformed bleeding heart masses as vote cattle they keep in line through giving them scraps from their bountiful table. They shouldn’t be underestimated.

      • Fourscore

        “It ain’t over ’til its over”

        I’m not so optimistic, I’ll wait and see.

        “Cheer up, it could be worse so I cheered up and sure as hell it got worse”

      • rhywun

        plenty of Dems are whip smart and devious and they use the dumber or just politically uninformed bleeding heart masses as vote cattle

        Well, that is how the left got complete control of every institution.

      • juris imprudent

        uninformed bleeding heart masses

        Thus dies libertopia.

    • Ownbestenemy

      You joke BUT

      Some organization is already pushing trying to grab as much money as quickly as possible under that guise.

      • Stinky Wizzleteats

        It’s a grift bud. Some of the people you really can fool all of the time.

  55. Suthenboy

    TPTB: I think I submitted a new brain fart. If there is a problem please let me know.