Thirty-Something Rifle Cartridges III: The 35s
So now we come to the mid-range of the mid-calibers – the thirty-fives.
It’s somewhat baffling that this perfect mid-range never really seemed to catch on with American shooters, beside a couple of noteworthy exceptions. In the handgun world, the .357/9mm caliber range is very popular, but in rifles? Not so much.
Those noteworthy exceptions are, however, extremely noteworthy. So, without further ado, let’s examine the thirty-fives.
At the End of the Black-Powder Era…
The various WSL rounds.
The story of the thirty-fives is largely Winchester’s story, but there is at least one case in which Remington put one right through the ten-ring. Before we talk about that, we must go back to the year of 1903. In that year, Winchester dominated the lever-gun market, and one of their better-selling pieces was the powerful, box-magazine-fed Model 1895. 1903 was the year when that company, in that rifle, brought forth a cartridge called the .35 Winchester.
The new .35 packed more punch than the .30WCF, but not as much as later rounds. The factory load shot a 250-grain soft-point pill at about 2,200 fps, making it capable of handling elk and black bear with no trouble. But like its parent, the .30-40 Krag, the .35 was limited by the rifles it was chambered in, not only the 95 Winchester but also the Remington-Lee and the Canadian Ross rifles. Loads were restricted to about 45,000psi for the ’95, although the bolt guns would take a bit more. Winchester never saw a great deal of demand for the round, and so it was officially discontinued with the end of the Model 95 in 1936, although factory ammo was available for some years after that.
With the advent of smokeless powder, Winchester also experimented with a couple of thirty-fives made expressly for a new semi-auto, detachable magazine rifles; these early “assault weapons” were the Winchester Model 1905 in .35 Winchester Self-Loading (WSL) and the Model 1907 in .351 WSL.
As mid-range centerfire rifle cartridges go, neither of these rounds are going to blow up very many skirts. The .35 WSL was roughly in the range of a .357 Magnum revolver round fired from a carbine, punching out a 180-grain slug at about 1,400fps. The .351WSL hit a bit harder, launching a 180-grain slug at a bit over 1,800fps. The Model 1907 was popular among prison guards and police departments as well as the folks they pursued; Clyde Barrow, for instance, sometimes used a Model 1907 in his predations. I’ve shot a 1907 a few times; our son-in-law’s father owns one and has a few hundred rounds of mixed-bag ammo he inherited with the rifle. It’s an easy rifle to shoot; recoil is minimal and out to a hundred yards, even with factory iron sights it’s easy to put rounds on target. I can see why it was a popular combination.
While Winchester was experimenting with their thirty-fives, Remington wasn’t sitting on their laurels; they already had their Model 8 semi-auto, and when that rifle was introduced one of the options was a cartridge that would long outlast the old piano leg: The .35 Remington. It’s an interesting note that, while the .35 Remington was introduced in a semi-auto, it’s best known today as a lever-gun round.
In addition to the Model 8, Remington also offered the .35 Remington in its successor, the Model 81, as well as the Models 14 and 141 pump-guns. The Model 30 bolt gun was also offered in this round for a time, as was the Winchester Model 70; but the round found the most sales in the Mossberg 472 and Marlin 336 lever guns. When I bought my own 336, way back in the distant past of 1981, I dithered between the .35 and the .30WCF for some time before deciding on the latter due to ammo availability, as I wasn’t handloading in those days; were I to make that decision today, the .35 may well have won that toss.
As the shooting community moved into mid-century, the thirty-fives were already well-established – and there, they would just kind of stay.
The Mid-Century
While Winchester’s WSL rounds didn’t last long, the .35 Remington maintained a dedicated following through most of the twentieth century, but in that time, it was joined by a few other remarkable thirty-fives.
The success (as such things go) of the wildcat .35 Whelen, which was just the .30-06 case necked up to take a .35 caliber slug, led indirectly to the 1955 introduction of one of the best American mid-caliber cartridges ever devised; the .358 Winchester.
As the name would imply, this is simply the .308 Winchester case necked up to .35 caliber, and its performance compared to the .35 Whelen is similar to the comparison between the two rounds’ parent cases, the .308 and .30-06. Factory loads for the .358 put out a 200-grain slug at 2,200 fps, making it capable of handling any North American big game at short to intermediate ranges.
A big portion of the .358’s success lay in the rifles that handled it. While the round was brought out in the Model 70, Winchester also chambered their Model 88 lever gun in the .358; Savage and Browning made it available in the Model 99 and the BLR, respectively. For some time now I’ve been keeping an eye out for a Savage 99 in this caliber, but the right combination of rifle and available cash hasn’t yet materialized.
I’ve long believed Winchester missed a major opportunity in not adapting the semi-auto Model 100 for the .358. That fine, modern semi-auto was sold in .243, .284 and .308 Winchester calibers, but for some reason the New Haven gunmakers never adapted it for the .358; the combination of the short, handy five-round autoloader and the hard-hitting .358 would have made an admirable rifle for such work as dark-timber elk or moose in heavy cover.
Speaking of the .35 Whelen; this wildcat round was developed around 1922 by James Howe of Griffin & Howe fame, and named for the famous Colonel Townsend Whelen. After decades of increasing use in the game fields, Remington legitimized the round in 1988, offering (at last) factory ammo and chambering the Model 700 Classic for the .35 caliber round.
Like its smaller cousin the .358, this is a good round for any North American big game. It’s a tad higher on the power scale than the .358, propelling a 200-grain bullet at 2,800 fps, compared to the .358’s 2,200; not an insignificant difference. The Whelen round does, however, require a full-length action, whereas the .358 can be chambered in a short-action bolt gun or a lever gun, resulting in a shorter-lighter gun for close work.
As Remington learned, though, a great mid-caliber round in the wrong rifle can be a bad idea.
In 1965, Remington brought out what was at first glance an admirable combination of rifle and cartridge. The .350 Remington Magnum anticipated the “short-fat magnum” trend by a couple of decades, and the Model 600 rifle that was first chambered for the new round was a slick little shot-action bolt gun.
However: The .350 Remington Magnum was a considerable thumper, easily breaking the 3,000 fps barrier with the 200-grain bullet, and the 5 ½ pound Model 600 wasn’t a lot of gun for the new belted magnum. Shooters charitably described recoil as “brutal.” Model 600s and the succeeding Model 660, with its more traditional looks and a pound extra weight, often sported Mag-Na-Porting or other types of muzzle brakes along with mercury stock inserts and aftermarket pads to attenuate the kick.
I have only once handled one of these rifles, a Model 660 in the .350 Remington Magnum. And, yes, recoil was considerable. This was a factory-stock job with no porting or any other modification, and with factory ammo, recoil was stout – and I’m large-framed and not very recoil-sensitive. My .338 is considerably easier to handle.
This and the Model 600’s unconventional looks doomed Remington’s .350 Magnum round, although it was recently been reintroduced in that company’s 673 and Model 7 rifles, both of which weigh in at over 7 ½ pounds. Maybe the short-action thumper magnum will see a renaissance; I wouldn’t bet any money on it either way.
So, as we’ve seen, the recent history of the thirty-fives is somewhat mixed. The situation today is much the same.
Today
The story of the thirty-five today is not much different than it was in 1960. The .35 Whelen has been legitimized, and in 1982 Winchester brought out the .356 Winchester, a sort of rimmed .358 Winchester intended for the new Model 94 XT lever gun and later chambered in the Marlin lever guns as well.
The .35 Remington is still available in the Marlin/Remington 336. Remington has let the .350 Remington Magnum again slip into obscurity.
The .358 Winchester has seen something of a comeback in, of all things, the AR-10 platform. Wilson Combat has several versions of their AR-10 pattern rifles with upper receivers for the .358 Winchester, making for a very interesting rifle/cartridge combo; if you’re in the market for a big-game rifle and are into the whole Tacticool look, this may be worth a look. Personally, I’ll hold out for a Savage 99 in this round – or maybe I’ll talk to my local gunsmith about the possibility of converting a Winchester 100.
Meanwhile: There is another big block of thirty-somethings left to look at, those being the real major-leaguers – the .375s. More on that in Part IV. And finally, in Part V, we’ll look at all the various sports and oddballs we’ve overlooked so far. Stay tuned.
Great history lesson, Animal. I remember seeing some of the old calibers in the woods but gradually they drifted away. I don’t know anyone that uses one or even has one. As fewer moose/elk hunters are out there and most probably would like a scope the bolt has captured the market. Maybe still in use in Canada.
The ’50s were good time for us kids with no money but a great imagination, thinking that nothing ever changes and the Shooter’s Bible would still be our go to for serious reading. Thanks for the trip…
Great article as always.
Maybe let Winchester know that you’ll be doing a second edition and they might send you a case of ammo? Ofc, they really should send you an upper too…
I’ll be covering the cartridge you linked in the last segment. Partly because it’s new and partly because I simply forgot about it in this segment.
The video is interesting. Every one who shot it commented on its lack of recoil, but it dropped those deer pretty well.
I find it interesting that it was specifically designed to be an AR platform round, but it’s most often used in non-AR guns.
Wasn’t it also made to be legal to hunt with in Ohio? I would imagine that there are still a lot of fudds in that part of the country (I left over a decade ago) that would only hunt with an honest, god feerin bolt gun.
My friend’s grandfather had a .350 Remington Magnum, though I can’t remember the exact model. He bought it hoping he’d eventually win a spot in PA’s elk lottery. He never did, and the rifle passed down to my friend’s dad and sat neglected accumulating dust. Being young and stupid we asked if we could shoot it, and we were told sure as long as we kept it on the property and we found some ammo for it. After a trip to a few different gun stores for ammunition we set up the make shift range in the back field of my friend’s property and set about shooting. Unlike our illustrious author, I’m not a large man, and what girth I have has largely been acquired recently, long after this episode. That rifle kicked my ass. Hard. Two shots were enough, I’ve stuck to smaller rounds since.
The rifle that left me with the black and blue shoulder was my (since stolen) German Mauser. That steel plate just magnified the recoil into something awful.
I was testing both slugs and two separate slug barrels on my Mossy 500.
That got old pretty fast.
I’ve since bought a Phoenix stock that eats up some of that unpleasantness.
Is the .358 Win. actually .358 in diameter, or is the “8” there just to flag that it is made on necked-up .308 cases?
I can’t tolerate ported rifles, BTW. For me, the “flinch” comes from the acoustic report, not the physical recoil. Porting makes that (much) worse. Praise Allah that I figured this out before I ported the Deerminator (which is heavy and never really had recoil that bothered me anyway).
Funny how 5/100ths of an inch can make sure a big difference.
Actual bullet diameter is .358 inches, or 35.8 caliber. Or 9.1 mm for PIE.
OT question. If you have a pack of people on a hunting trip, each with tags to fill, what’s the etiquette for figuring out who gets the shot when a target shows up?
If its your turn, you take the shot. If you are wrong, you get shot.
So you’re saying there’s a rota agreed upon beforehand? And if the shot misses does that use up said hunter’s turn?
With a large enough group, you likely aren’t all hunting together. If everybody hunts solo, its up to each hunter. If you hunt in pairs or small groups, my experience is, you either sort it out ad hoc ahead of time, or if there is an animal in view, you sort it out ad hoc on the spot. I’ve never been on a hunt where people hunted in groups bigger than two (not counting the guide, who generally isn’t a hunter anyway).
That said, first-time hunters nearly always get first dibs. For trophy hunters, one or the other is likely to want to hold out for a bigger one. For a tie-breaker/default, I have used “who travelled the farthest gets first dibs”.
Pretty much the same here, we hunt alone for the most part, from fixed stands. Property is scarce, smallish and beyond the borders are many other hunters. Another reason is safety (see above). Because we are in elevated stands we are shooting downwards, because my gang is old(er) we sit without too much of a walk to the stands.
We have party hunting here, meaning anyone can shoot a legal deer for another person with a license that’s in the party. Often we’ll fill the licenses of those who are leaving first. More often we don’t fill every license.
if there is an animal in view, you sort it out ad hoc on the spot.
This dredged up a memory. My huntin’ buddy and I were sitting over a travel route for deer in North Texas. Long sight lines. Lots of coyotes around, and lo, we spotted one trotting directly to us. This set off a furiously whispered argument about who would take the shot (which was probably pretty comical, in the “After you”, “No, after you” way), and which only ended when I pointed out he had his gun in his hand, and mine was a few steps from me because I had shifted to glass the varmint.
The year before, he made one of the best shots I have ever seen – a bobcat was moving through brush, and he had to put a bullet into a spot about the size of a quarter from nearly 100 yards. Dropped it on the spot.
Yeah, I’m going with “most of the time you are all hunting on your own, so this isn’t a problem”. I think the closest that you would come to your scenario is if you are planning on driving deer past some poster, how do you decide who gets to be the poster and who is doing the driving?
Like others have said, the general rules of politeness go into this: woman and children first. Then n00bs. Then who didn’t get one last year. etc, etc. In our deer camp, we have “our” stands, but if you wanted a certain stand, you could easily swap.
One other rule we have is that someone has to explicitly say “Go ahead and fill my tag” before you can start shooting more than your deer. In our camp, that isn’t a problem because we are all OK with it, but we always give explicit permission first. And when my kids were beginning to hunt, we wouldn’t fill their tag on the first day (even if they said it was OK) because we wanted them to shoot one.
Another young hunter rule is that they can shoot any deer (no matter how small) and not get razzed. Once they’ve gotten some experience, you can mildly suggest to them that they might not want to shoot one with spots anymore.
they might not want to shoot one with spots anymore.
I specifically targetted that year’s crop of fawns (they didn’t still have spots) when I hunted in Wisconsin. They were raised exclusively on milk, alfalfa, and corn, maybe a few soybeans, and the meat was divine. Buttery and mild.
Yeah, there aren’t any spots when we are hunting either, but it is a nice way to razz the kid.
The best is to shoot a doe with yearlings still following her around. Once Mom is down, the yearlings will wander back to see why she didn’t run off. Then you can add one of those tasty youngsters to the larder as well.
Like you said, they are good eating.
Once Mom is down, the yearlings will wander back to see why she didn’t run off. Then you can add one of those tasty youngsters to the larder as well.
So what I hear you saying is that Bambi was not realistic.
I’ve shot plenty of yearlings . . .as Uncle Carrier used to say “Ya can’t eat the horns”
Also, I’d rather shoot the yearling than the mother. There’s no worse feeling than when the young’n starts nudging its mothers dead carcass wondering why she won’t move. Which Ive see at least twice.
Depends on the hunting party, but since my answer may have more relevance, in my party if there is anyone that has never gotten a deer they get first crack, followed by anyone that is particularly young. After that it’s generally agreed on a case by case basis who gets priority on any particular drive.
Okay.
Some time between now and next deer season, we should iron out more specifics. It’s just the more I think about it, the more of these little questions pop into my head. They’re things that don’t occur to me before I run through the process mentally.
We could have taken a short trip to the stands (very close to the house), but for the wood ticks.
Don’t get me thinking about ticks, that leads to psychosomatic itching.
Ticks are nothing. Chigger, please!
I itched for three weeks last fall.
Chiggers. Oh, chiggers.
OMG.
O.
M.
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Here, Mojeaux, have a heaping helping of cellulitis.
Another reason I left TX, and fire ants.
Iran Declines To Sign Colin Kaepernick After Reviewing Workout Video
“It’s disappointing to see that Iran is as hateful as America,” a downcast Kaepernick said in a press conference. “I expected to be welcomed as a hero over there, but apparently, they too are biased against people with dark skin.” Kaepernick plans to protest Iran’s hate by continuing to kneel during the American national anthem.
Iran has clarified that they agree with Kaepernick ideologically, but they need someone who can throw.
Nice zinger at the end.
Thanks, Animal!
Another good read.
Nice write-up. Thanks!
Are there any particular pros/cons to hunting with tacticool rifles that aren’t immediately apparent?
I can think of one con: a game warden that wouldn’t bat an eye at a bolt-action might well take an interest in your ARish rifle, if for no other reason than there are magazine limits for hunting. God help you if you brought anything but the five round mag with you.
Well, crap. The standard capacity magazine on my 308 is 8 rounds.
Hrmm… maybe I should just go buy a modern bolt-action with a nice wood stock and good optics. It’s been a while since I’ve dropped anything in the Hudson.
PA doesn’t seem to have capacity limits on rifles, but does seem to ban semi auto rifles.
I got a 404 error with that link. I had to trim some stuff off the end.
But what you’re telling me is that I need a different rifle.
MN doesn’t either. I do though. 4-5. After 1 they are all superfluous but I have used 2 when 2 deer show up.
I’m guessing your .308 is legal with 8 rds. However, as a personal aside, don’t mention to your hunting partners that you loaded 8, you may be hunting alone.
/sarc, sort of/
A few years ago, my neighbor’s son shot a deer from his stand with a bow. Immediately a pack of wolves showed up and sent him back up to his tree stand while they carried away his deer.
He now carries a pistol in the woods
So, UCS, you should load all 8 in the magazine. One for the deer, and the rest for the wolves.
How does the sound of a gunshot effect the wolfs’ reactions?
It makes them randy for furless critters.
Oh, sorry. I thought you said SMITHs.
How does the sound of a gunshot effect the wolfs’ reactions?
I’ve heard that elk hunters in grizzly country believe the grizzlies have learned to associate gunshots with dead elk and gut piles, so they run to the sound of gunfire.
It would work out perfectly if the grizzlies waited for the hunter to leave…
Not for the Grizzly. filet de homme appetizer followed by Elk.
Or a couple of gunshot wounds
Check local laws – I’ve noticed the 5 round limit in the few states I’ve checked. May not be a problem where you’re going to hunt. In any event, I think 5 round mags are pretty widely available, if you need one.
*scribbles notes* Don’t take drum magazine when going hunting.
But what if it’s coming right at us?
That what I use the Javelin missile for.
I’m not a hunter but I would guess a “tacticool” rifle might provide an advantage when hunting feral hogs.
Most hog hunting is more about exterminating vermin than gentlemanly hunting. Suppressed 300 BLK with night vision is fair game in a lot of places.
After a quick Google search one site recommends hunting with just a .45. That sounds interesting. I figured you have a rifle as your primary and when the hoard or feral hogs overruns you, the .45 comes out in desperation. At least that’s how it works in the movies.
I would have figured you would have been an advocate for hunting them with a knife Leap.
I know a guy who went on a pig knife hunting trip in Texas years ago. He said he was pretty much done with it after the first one. According to him, it is too much like butchery. The dogs distract the pig and you just walk up and stab it.
I’ve been invited on a couple of those. I passed. Not man enough, I suppose, to kill an animal with a knife.
The reason they use knives is to keep from spooking the rest of the pigs. Once the dogs are on a group of pigs, they try to take as many as they can. These were all real-life, no-kidding cowboys, who were hog hunting as a side gig.
Not a dog person. Sorry not sorry.
Steven Rinella hunted pigs in Hawaii with a knife
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLij0ipEp8
By the way, MeatEater is my favorite hunting show.
Hunting regs don’t typically apply when going after hogs and other varmints/pests.
In my in-laws home town they have an annual coyote hunt. The person with the most kills usually wins a rifle. It’s an interesting site to see people driving around town with people in their pickup beds toting rifles.
One of my uncles had a Model ’10 Winchester self-loader in .401 caliber. Never had a chance to shoot the thing. Wish I could have.
Sorry to go slightly OT (it does involve guns) so soon, but I have to run and want to post this story about the importance of being polite in MInnesoda.
If anyone (like Alex) is thinking about moving here, remember that the flip side of Minnesoda Nice is Minnesoda Polite. If you ain’t polite, don’t expect Nice.
He must have bought a cop shotgun that was capable of going off on its own, but didn’t stop him from getting charged.
UCS: I agree with one thing you said on the last thread…we can just change the rules and let things adapt instead of pushing the change. It is a longer, slower process, but I agree.
OT: I had no idea STEVE SMITH was getting his PhD in England.
So his real crime was not getting proper IRB authorization for use of deception in his research.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlcsuJtXYkM
Actual non-interventionism only exists on the Right. Even Kochatarians are struggling to explain how provoking Iran is some how much worse than their insistence that we provoke Russia, because their white liberal neighbors suffered from an acute psychosis that they embraced because it was fashionable. Do these people even realize that Russia and Iran are closely allied?
Fucking Bolton “Hope this is the first step for Regime Change in Iran”. That man loves some piles of bodies.
I disagree a bit with Tucker, cause i don’t think this is a huge point. It’s an escalation, but it is just a series of Tit for Tats.
I have no idea what Carlson is going to reinvent himself as in the next four years (I think he has embraced nearly every flavor of conservative since 2002), but he’s one of the few commentators on TV who has been logically consistent on foreign policy during the Trump era. And he has been one of the few commentators on TV critical of Trump when he is bellicose on foreign policy and applauding him when he is more dovish.
I literally can’t even grasp the “pro-Iran; anti-Russia” position that is en vogue nowadays as it literally makes no sense. Even a “pro-Russia; anti-China” position is at least based out of historic reality.
For sure. My main point is the Doomsday “This will lead us to war” (or a war war). It could but i don’t believe it will. It’s just a difference in opinion on what will end up happening, but not a disagreement that the escalation wasn’t a good move.
Likewise i don’t understand the “pro-Iran; ant-Russia” stance, apart from the simplest explanation that ‘If Trump Did it it must be bad’, which explains the media and DNC, but not the intelligence community so much.
I think that killing an Iranian official through targeted assassination is bad form, to say the least. Trump brought us much closer to war with Iran for reasons that, again, don’t add up. How do you go from “we need to get out of Syria” to “we need to kill this Iranian official in Iraq”. Why not just stay in Syria and fight them in a proxy war then? Makes no sense. He wants to play dove, but then also wants everyone to know he has balls. He just seems insane and illogical. Which, to be fair, is pretty on brand for American presidents.
True, though i think it’s pretty on point for Trump. My assessment is that Trump is weak, especially when it comes to the military. He seems to “want” something, but doesn’t push the generals when they are insubordinate to his vision.
Now i could be wrong, and it could be that trump is just arbitrary for no reason other than he’s trump, but that’s how i make sense of it.
He’s weak because he doesn’t know how to wage war and doesn’t know quite what to do, he’s throwing darts because he has no good advisors, as the military leadership is all arrayed against him and he doesn’t know enough to hire the right people.
Explain James Mattis, then.
Mattis resigned because Trump announced troop withdrawals from Syria and Afghanistan (which never materialized). Mattis’ resignation actually speaks positively to Trump
Explain James Mattis, then.
Which part? Trump nominating him to Sec Def? I think Trump Nominated him (and bolton) because i think (like most of his nominations) he’s outsourced the selection process to people who he thinks were knowledgeable. He picked bad people to trust for input (which again speaks poorly to Trump, along with his weakness).
I’ll agree my model for Trumps actions isn’t complete, but to me it makes more sense than just being a flip flopper.
I think that killing an Iranian official through targeted assassination is bad form, to say the least.
The adoption of asymmetrical warfare and general abandonment of good old Westphalian Marquess of Queensbury war-fighting has consequences. He was a member of their military, on foreign soil, meeting with “militias”/insurgents(?), had a long and well-known history of committing what used to be considered acts of war against US forces, was involved in who knows how many terrorist attacks, was involved in an attack on our embassy, and was certainly in Iraq to plan and approve more attacks.
I don’t even think it was bad form. He was a legit target under our current engagement. You can argue, and I wouldn’t disagree, that we shouldn’t be there targetting anybody at all, but we are. And direct attacks on Americans should be answered, regardless.
Solemani’s signature was all over the embassy riot. They literally spray-painted his name on the walls.
There are a lot of attacks in Iraq that can be connected back to Iran. The question is “do you respond and possibly ignite a massive regional conflict” or “do you withdraw those forces because they are aimlessly stationed there without a purpose and are now just sitting ducks”.
I feel like this is a constant with people- our adversaries are legitimately bad people from an objective standpoint, but that doesn’t mean that every action we take in response is measured or correct.
Ignite? The shit’s been smoldering there longer than either of us has been alive.
“do you withdraw those forces because they are aimlessly stationed there without a purpose and are now just sitting ducks”
That would be my vote. Pending their withdrawal, though, and especially after the embassy attack, Soleimani was a legitimate target.
Shit has been smoldering there since the Iranian revolution. Prior to that the Iraqis and Iranians were friendlier
Killing Solemani would make a lot more sense in the absence of every other Middle Eastern clusterfuck we’ve gotten ourselves into.
However, I fear it will only serve to drag us into further involvement.
Cue up all the sunken cost fallacies on warmonger radio, print, and TV.
“I think that killing an Iranian official through targeted assassination is bad form, to say the least. ”
Deep State gonna Deep State, especially when their whole impeachment shtick isn’t working.
He wants to play dove, but then also wants everyone to know he has balls.
He consistently positions international relations with our adversaries as “we can do this the hard way, or the easy way.” A perfectly legitimate negotiating tactic, although it does require that you occasionally show people that the hard way is a live option.
Also, Trump just killed dead the internal opposition that was trying to goad him into further military action in the middle east.
24 hours before the assasination, the consensus held by our nomenklatura was that Trump was weak and that the embassy attack was evidence of his weakness.
Now they have utterly reversed course.
It’s not rocket science. It’s the basic premise of feinting one thing and doing another.
China too. Both Russia and China are founding members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and Iran is an observer. For 15 years the SCO have engaged in war games to prepare for this exact scenario. Let’s not forget that the Chinese public is still outraged over the arrest of Huawei executive, “Cathy” Meng Wanzhou for violating sanctions we placed on Iran.
Speaking of China, looks like any doubts they have been engaging in forced organ harvesting from prisoners (including political prisoners), can be put to rest.
I read the original Bloody Harvest report and it was horrific. Organ harvesting from undesirables is the ultimate expression of collectivism.
You’ve got a stronger stomach than I do.
Iranian Leaders Vow To Destroy American Cultural Sites Like Walmart Or Dairy Queen
Those guys are always good. Too funny
The disconnect from all sides is weird.
We are supposed to maintain a bellicose posture in Syria to deny the Russians a Victory (to the point that HRC suggested a no fly zone over Syria), but escalating with Iran by small targeted attacks towards leadership is wrong? I don’t understand the logic that maintains both of those premises.
I don’t understand the logic
There is none.
I thought the logic was pretty obvious:
Demand the opposite of OrangeManBad.
Even more illogically, Iran had more of a presence in Syria than even Russia did (at least its proxies such as Hezbollah were fighting in Syria). Hezbollah and Russia were fighting against ISIS at the behest of Assad. Who exactly were we supposed to be fighting? Their position literally makes no sense. We were in Syria to overthrow or at least contain a Russian and Iranian ally.
There is just no logic here. It’s pure unadulterated TDS to go from “muh…leaving Syria is bad” to “muh…killing Iranian official is bad”. What exactly did they believe we were doing in Syria?
That’s pretty good for a YouTube Comment.
Since semiautomatic rifles are verboten in PA deer hunting, I need a recommendation on a suitable bolt or lever action deer rifle.
My requirements:
A – It must readily acept a scope or other optic. This is non-negotiable.
B – Ammunition for it should not be difficult to find for someone who cannot order online.
C – It can’t be so expensive that I wouldn’t be able to go on the trip after paying for the rifle.
Savage Axis II (not I, the II has a much better trigger and is worth it) or Thompson Center Compass are the “how in the hell do they make a 1 MOA rifle for less than $350” answer to your question. If you can find either on with a Magpul Hunter stock on it, go for that. They have an easy adjustable length of pull and comb height that I really appreciate given my non-standard size. I’ve handled both (but sadly not had a chance to shoot either) and they get good reviews from people I trust.
I think .308 is the cartridge to go for, but I’ll let those with a little more knowing-what-the-hell-they-are-talking-about give you an answer.
For most MN hunting, short range, brushy, nothing wrong with a .308. If your BIL is giving you a good deal on something else (30-30 or there about) don’t let that slip through either. Deer are thin skinned, like some Glibs.
For me and UCS the scope is essential, even at short range. Makes old eyes young(er) again. I keep mine at the lowest setting, 2.5 or 3.
For short range and brushy, I would look very seriously at a good red dot. I love the way you can aim with both eyes open, and the dot just floats in space at the point if impact.
I really want to get my hands on a carbine with a red dot that has a quick-detach mount for a magnifier. In my head they make perfect sense, and I know I love way a red-dot has a huge eyebox when magnified. I slayed many black dots on paper when a cheap red-dot on my 10/22.
.308 is a perfectly fine general purpose hunting caliber, and you already have one. You may want to buy a different kind of ammo for hunting, but that would be my starting place.
If you go .308, I don’t think you will have any lever action options (haven’t researched). I’ve never seen a bolt action that wouldn’t take a scope.
Don’t make the same mistake I did with the Deerminator, and buy a scope with too much magnification. 4 – 6x is probably plenty, unless you are planning to lob bullets a quarter mile or more. A small red dot (3 MOA) would be my choice for ranges out to 100 yards or so. You can get red dots with magnification (my M1A sports a red dot with 4x, but I was flush with cash and it was pretty spendy).
There are three I’m aware of; the Savage 99, the Winchester 88 (no longer in production) and the Browning BLR.
Also the Henry Long Ranger.
A Ruger American is a lot of rifle for a good price. My GF has one in .270. It’s very accurate and she loves it. .270 is a good caliber for deer.
LGS is having a sale on Mossberg rifles. No recommendation, but seemingly quite affordable. – https://www.tannerssportcenter.com/copy-of-mossberg-mvp-5-56-vortex-2- and shipping is available.
I’ve never had a rifle shipped. I should probably figure out the best FFL to use for such a thing.
I’ve done it.
Your local FFL will charge a fee for the transfer and background check. Make sure what you are receiving is legal for you to own. If it’s not, the local FFL won’t allow the transfer and you might be out money.
The seller will need your local FFL’s license. My local guy for the transfers he handled wanted an e-mail address for the seller. My local guy would e-mail a scan of his license which was good enough for the sellers I dealt with.
I have also bought a gun on the internet and shipped it when I sold it. But I’m in Missouri, not NY, so…
^this
And just to add, many manufacturers and sellers already have a number of FFLs on file that they’ve shipped to before. Often they hav a list you an pick from. Unfortunately, they don’t let you know what the transfer fee is.
Anywhere from $20 to $45 where I live. You have to ask around to find the best deals.
Also Brownells has an FFL locator: https://www.brownells.com/aspx/ffllocator/locator.aspx with maps!
I’ve only used two here. One is $40, the other is $50.
$50 at the one I visited this afternoon.
Deer rifles for NE PA. Lots of brush and thick woods mixed with lots of corn fields and meadows. 308, 270, 30/30, 25-06, 30-06. All will work. 4-6X mag is plenty.
I second the Ruger American for a new purchase or an older M77. Good quality with a good price.
exclusively deer? CZ makes reliable, beautiful, sorta budget-friendly bolt rifles. CZ 557 in 7mm-08 or .270 would be my recommendation.
Well, it’s currently the only thing on the slate other than paper targets for zeroing/familiarization.
Also available in .308.
with the added bonus of only having to deal with one caliber if you also have an AR10.
Are you left handed?
https://www.wideopenspaces.com/6-superior-left-handed-rifles-deer-season-pics/
Unless there’s something I don’t know about, you can order ammo online
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/rifle-ammo-c-27.aspx
They deliver to NY. Free shipping for case lots, or if you subscribe to a membership.
I’ve run into a lot of sites that go “we’re just not going to bother shipping to NY”.
I buy from them often enough that I bought the membership (It gives you and additional discount, plus it’s nice to be able to buy one box each of different types to compare them against each other without having to pay for shipping). I’ve been buying ALL of my 9mm, .223 and .22 from them for almost a year now.
Still, “Readily available on shop shelves” is a decent criteria to avoid odd rounds that are difficult/expensive to find.
Their “sort by cost per round” doesn’t always work so if uoi know there’s a particularly cheap one that doesn’t show up in the listing, you’ll have to add that manually.
Oh and the other bad thing about that site is you can’t search/filter by shot size. So I just by shotgun ammo at WalMart. I also don’t go through that nearly as fast.
I have used Target Sports USA in the past. I buy Speer Gold Dots from them in bulk at a pretty decent price.
Every few months, they’ll have Federal HST on sale for half off.
UCS, I’ll make a plug for the Ruger American or the Remington 700 in .308
At our deer camp we have a Remington 700 in .308, an M1 in .308, a Savage 10 and something else in 30-06, and a Thompson Contender in .243
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/851300654
Ruger American $320 all day long. Available in .30-06, .308, or .270.
It’s going to be hard to find a better rifle (new) at that price point. Add your optics of choice.
Also, I’m a big fan of DNZ Game Reaper scope mounts:
https://www.dnzproducts.com/product/game-reaper-ruger/
There are a ton of new bolt action rifles available in 6.5 Creedmoor.
You hipsters and your weird ass calibers.
Introduced in 2007? How do I know there will be long term support? What about working out all the bugs and having all the hotfixes applied before shipping?
Unless you’re shooting at more than 400 yds, there is no advantage to Creedmoor (which is a necked down .308).
It’s supposed to be a great long-range round.
Yeah, I have a thing against caliber creep. 9mm, 45 ACP, .308, .300 Win Mag, and 12 gauge are all I ever want to stock.
Don’t think of it as creep. Think of it as experimenting with all the wonderful flavors the world offers.
That’s a creepy way of phrasing it.
Just listen to him say “boat tail” sometime. You’ll have nightmares for a week.
Lapua. It sounds so sensual when you draw it out laaaaaapuuuuaaaah
No rimfire? No 5.56? No commie ammo? No .38/.357 mag? Jeez…
“Diversity is our strength.”
No one needs 23 choices of caliber.
Good point. I forgot the .22.
I’m doing an excellent job of keeping my calibers under control. And since I’m not planning on doing any long range shooting, that should remain the case.
…Unless I get dragged into SASS at which point all hell will break loose.
I enjoy a 7.62 X 39, the deer are just as dead. I have shot several, at least 5, 1 shot kills with an SKS, cheap Chinese scope. I can’t remember having to shoot any over once. I just got it back from the shop, somehow it developed a problem after 10 years or more but seems like its ready to go now. Maybe too much water damage from the boating accident.
The trigger is military in nature. Not smooth and slick but it is what it is. I rotate between several rifles, change out every season.
My dad hunted with a new Bergara something or other this year in 6.5 Creedmore, took two deer with it. One at about 120 yards. Cause plenty of internal damage. I’ll vote for it as a good cailber.
Julián Castro✔
@JulianCastro
Today I’m proud to endorse @ewarren for president.
Elizabeth and I share a vision of America where everyone counts. An America where people—not the wealthy or well-connected—are put first. I’m proud to join her in the fight for big, structural change.
1) Except for those deplorable bitter clingers.
2) I’d rather not change the structure.
big, structural change.
By fiat, though. We can’t be arsed to actually amend the Constitution to get the change we want.
“Cabinet slot, here I come!”
At first I read that as Julian Sanchez and it didn’t seem that far-fetched.
So, everyone = people =/= the wealthy or well-connected.
And how is Fauxcahontas neither wealthy nor well-connected?
When they mean “wealthy and well connected” what they really mean is “the middle class that has no connections” or, at best, “the wealthy and well connected that don’t support my politics”. To be fair, though, it’s usually the latter rather than the former
Or rather, the former rather than the latter.
What America needs is some sort of giant stride ahead.
The plot thickens.
“What stood out to me the most was that the ligature mark was made after a few hours,” Baden told CBS. “He had been dead for a few hours at the time he was discovered. And that there were multiple fractures of the Adam’s apple, the thyroid cartilage and the hyoid bone that are more indicative of a homicidal strangulation than a suicidal strangulation.”
Baden maintained he had never seen the same type of three-bone fracture in a suicide after reviewing a thousand suicide records in the New York State Prison System.
“This certainly suggests that it could be a homicide,” he stated.
“The marks on the neck [are] not at all typical of a hanging suicide,” Baden added. “A hanging suicide — 90% of the time there are no fractures. Maybe 10%, 15% there could be a hyoid or a thyroid fracture. You don’t have three fractures with the weight of the body on the ligature. You have to have a lot more pressure by ligature or hands to get those fractures.”
Assuming Baden is on the up-and-up (and he is a retained expert witness, so grain of salt), there’s a lot that doesn’t add up. Its almost enough to make you think
*pause, removes sunglasses*
Epstein didn’t kill himself.
Trump protest.
One sign: “Give us a fair trial”
Right next to it: “Acquittal is not an option.”
Oh, ok.
We should remember that this impeachment is predicated on the suspicion that the president didn’t arm Ukraine fast enough for our budding proxy war there. This is the same House of Representatives that voted in opposition to the president removing troops from Syria and are now voicing their opposition to the president killing an Iranian official without congressional oversight.
There is no logic here. Just reflexive “orange man bad”. And it’s wholly mentally retarded. This might honestly be the most unprincipled Congress in American history, which is truly a feat
the president didn’t arm Ukraine fast enough
It would be hard to not arm Ukraine faster than Obama, who I believe did not authorize anything but humanitarian assistance. Without a peep of protest from the “OMG, Trump delayed military assistance after a new government took over” crowd.
Yes, the rewriting of history by the NYT and WaPo in order to criticize Trump while still contending that their messiah could do no wrong has been amazing to witness
I’m just happy that Congress is all the sudden very concerned about being a branch with power again.
Aren’t you an optimist
I think I should be embarrassed that I spent 15 years ridiculing (mostly to the audience of myself) Putin’s assertion that there was US interference behind every political development in the former Soviet republics that he didn’t like. I guess he was right all along. I certainly missed the moment when Ukraine became an important military ally of the United States.
Mad Maxine is on the case.
“[W]e know several things about this president,” she said. “We know he’s a liar. We know that it has been documented by The Washington Post that he’s lied thousands of times. I think it’s over 15,000 times that they’ve actually documented. We know that there is a matter of trust. We also know that from afar, you’ve had psychiatrists wondering about his mental stability. We know that the president tweets. We know that he basically makes up his mind. He said he knows more than his generals know.”
“So, American people need to know what we’re dealing with here because it is not about which party they are going to align themselves with,” Waters added. “It’s whether or not they can trust the president of the United States, whether or not he’s a liar, whether or not he’s a — mental health is good. It is whether or not he’s presidential, yes.”
See it ain’t partisan. We just have to put our differences aside and do what Democrats want.
Infinite Elgintensity’s Best of 2019
Fat acceptance, the Gillette ad, and transgender athletes are some of the things covered.
“Justin Trudeau, and Justin Trudeau’s wife’s boyfriend” ahahaha
I don’t know if this has been mentioned here but, in case you thought the LP couldn’t do worse than William Weld as a presidential candidate, I give you…..Lincoln Chafee.
I’m planning on attending the State Convention (not a member of the national party) to nominate and vote delegates who are pro Jason Hornbuger. If the LP Nominates Chafee, I’m not going to vote for president. (really if they don’t nominate Jason, i’ll not vote for president).
I have never voted for a major-party candidate for prez. I just might vote for Trump for shits and giggles this time around.
I have held my nose and voted LP to ensure ballot access. But I am not sure that I can keep this up for much longer.
*Jacob Horneburger
Haha…you Mises types are all coalescing around his candidacy. I would actually vote LP if they nominated an actual libertarian like Jason this time
Mises types
Hey now!!!
Well yeah, probably fits the charge. Should I change my handle to Mises types apologist?
I have a strong feeling that you are on Tom Wood’s e-mail list. Dare I say, you subscribe to his podcast.
I donated to the Libertarian Institute and got a signed copy of “The Great Ron Paul” from Scott Horton, so I’m not really in a position to be throwing stones.
GET OUT OF MY PHONE! But yes, and yes. I don’t read at the Libertarian Institute very often, but the liberty podcasts i have on my phone are: Tom Woods Show, Lions of Liberty, Bob Murphy Show, Contra Krugman, Short Circuit.
Though i thought you would listen to ol Tommy too.
I think you and me leon are the same person.
No… Noooooo
:Begins urge to defend Tulsi Gabbard:
SAVE ME!
/
but you’re probably right.
I wouldn’t want to be compared to me, either.
For Christmas I asked for the books ‘Tragedy and Hope’ and ‘War is a Racket’, along with some other books from off the beaten path. No one wanted to engage me in conversation about my presents.
That…might not be as bad as Weld. Oh, who am I kidding, that is worse. I think.
I don’t know, all those NEnglanders look alike to me.
Thank non-specified, spiritual-but-not-religious cosmic forces. We’ll get on the metric system, and Animal will finally start do a series on the history of European 7mm cartridges.
That really chafees my elbow.
Put some lanolincoln cream on them. Clear it right up.
Lanolincoln? Isn’t that a butter brand?
Another chromosomally defective New Englander that has all the appeal of a cold cod filet?
The Beltway types are a greater threat to liberty than socialists, because inevitably they will concede all points to socialists as fashion dictates that they should.
This reminds me of when the Kochs and Soros teamed up to start an anti-war organization (The Quincy Institute or something). Talk about controlled opposition. You put together a billionaire who has actually funded the overthrow of democratically elected foreign governments that threaten American foreign policy with billionaires who will believe anything so long as they get a firm pat on the head from the cool kids (unlike their father who helped found the John Birch Club and so therefore became persona non grata with the cool kids).
Chafee is prepared to bring more embarrassment and ill repute to the name “libertarian” than any LP nominee has done since they stopped nominating libertarians after Bandarick’s 2004 run.
Someone wants a scotus spot.
TV Judge Judith Sheindlin, prominently known as “Judge Judy,” has officially endorsed former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg for president, appearing in a 30-second ad debuted Monday titled “Judge Him.”
“Mike Bloomberg has done amazing things and will be a truly great president,” Sheindlin says assertively in what appear to be judicial chambers. “No one comes close to Mike Bloomberg’s executive achievement, government experience and impactful philanthropy.”
Damn it. I kind of like her shtick of ripping into people that get gov’t handouts.
My wife enjoys watching it, it drives me crazy cause i can’t stand how dumb some of the people are.
Mocking dumb people is a time tested entertainment winner.
My mother has watched that show religiously for 20something years. She has the worst taste in television.
My mom watched all the court shows, and the HGTV shit.
I stopped watching HGTV. I had to, especially once my plumbing problems started in earnest.
1. “Hi, I sharpen pencils for a living and my budget is $1.8M.”
2. “Hi, Client. I know you’ve just dropped $1.8M, but you have a plumbing problem. I need $50,000.” “Okay, sure.”
3. “Shiplap!” DRINK.
4. I couldn’t tell what was real anymore.
If Bitch Judy favors Bloomberg, that’s a tremendous reason to oppose him.
Fuck her and her show giving people ideas that the proper function of a judge is to shout down litigants and generally be nasty to them.
I want to meet the person who was like “I’m open to a Bloomberg presidency, despite his petty fascism or soda bans and making it more difficult to buy formula milk, but Judge Judy’s endorsement is a bit too far for me”.
We need that judge who was having threesomes in her chambers to get her own show…
Bow chicka…
I took a sick day from work today. Judge Judy is on right now.
Australia fires: How do we know how many animals have died?
“There is a widely-reported estimate that almost half a billion (480 million) animals have been killed by the bush fires in Australia.
It’s a figure that came from Prof Chris Dickman, an expert on Australian biodiversity at the University of Sydney.
He released a statement explaining how he had reached the figure – a statement which refers to the number of animals affected rather than those necessarily dying as a direct result of the fire (although the title of the release talks about 480 million being killed).”
I keep seeing this 500 million dead figure but no one has bothered to correct their error. Gotta pump those numbers up.
I heard taht 1/3 of Koalas had died or something. i also heard that the Chlamydia cases had drastically dropped in Australia too.
So Aussies like to bang Koalas?
I feel bad for the cute little buggers, but apparently they’re awful creatures.
Anyway watching them gulping water from bottles in a human’s hands is awesomely poignant. They and the smarter animals know where to go to get water–a human.
“Koalas are fucking horrible animals.
Koalas are fucking horrible animals. They have one of the smallest brain to body ratios of any mammal, additionally – their brains are smooth. A brain is folded to increase the surface area for neurons. If you present a koala with leaves plucked from a branch, laid on a flat surface, the koala will not recognise it as food. They are too thick to adapt their feeding behaviour to cope with change. In a room full of potential food, they can literally starve to death. This is not the token of an animal that is winning at life. Speaking of stupidity and food, one of the likely reasons for their primitive brains is the fact that additionally to being poisonous, eucalyptus leaves (the only thing they eat) have almost no nutritional value. They can’t afford the extra energy to think, they sleep more than 80% of their fucking lives. When they are awake all they do is eat, shit and occasionally scream like fucking satan. Because eucalyptus leaves hold such little nutritional value, koalas have to ferment the leaves in their guts for days on end. Unlike their brains, they have the largest hind gut to body ratio of any mammal. Many herbivorous mammals have adaptations to cope with harsh plant life taking its toll on their teeth, rodents for instance have teeth that never stop growing, some animals only have teeth on their lower jaw, grinding plant matter on bony plates in the tops of their mouths, others have enlarged molars that distribute the wear and break down plant matter more efficiently… Koalas are no exception, when their teeth erode down to nothing, they resolve the situation by starving to death, because they’re fucking terrible animals. Being mammals, koalas raise their joeys on milk (admittedly, one of the lowest milk yields to body ratio… There’s a trend here). When the young joey needs to transition from rich, nourishing substances like milk, to eucalyptus (a plant that seems to be making it abundantly clear that it doesn’t want to be eaten), it finds it does not have the necessary gut flora to digest the leaves. To remedy this, the young joey begins nuzzling its mother’s anus until she leaks a little diarrhoea (actually fecal pap, slightly less digested), which he then proceeds to slurp on. This partially digested plant matter gives him just what he needs to start developing his digestive system. Of course, he may not even have needed to bother nuzzling his mother. She may have been suffering from incontinence. Why? Because koalas are riddled with chlamydia. In some areas the infection rate is 80% or higher. This statistic isn’t helped by the fact that one of the few other activities koalas will spend their precious energy on is rape. Despite being seasonal breeders, males seem to either not know or care, and will simply overpower a female regardless of whether she is ovulating. If she fights back, he may drag them both out of the tree, which brings us full circle back to the brain: Koalas have a higher than average quantity of cerebrospinal fluid in their brains. This is to protect their brains from injury… should they fall from a tree. An animal so thick it has its own little built in special ed helmet. I fucking hate them.”
I rarely read a wall of text. But I couldn’t stop this time.
ditto.
*applause*
Are they counting each individual mosquito?
Goddammit…
If they’re counting insects, sure I could buy that.
Golden Globes, some dude won an award but wasn’t there because he was in Australia tending to the fires in some respect (I assume he was an Aussie). So the presenter read a prepared statement in case he won. “I’m in Australia … fires … Absolutely know that these fires were caused by climate change–” I turned it off.
I’m not sure why these people don’t understand that wildernesses burning is a normal and necessary thing. Dude, you put your houses there. Earth is just doing what Earth does, cleaning and grooming itself like a cat.
It’s NORMAL. It’s NATURAL. It’s NECESSARY.
Look what happened to Yellowstone when no one was allowed to clear cut or control burn–and what happened after it burned. The crazies still wouldn’t admit it was necessary (long overdue) and incalculably beneficial.
New vegetation growth is more conducive to animal life.
Absolutely know that these fires were caused by climate change
This has never been explained to me as to why. Did the plants spontaneously combust?
These people clearly do not know their history nor do they care/want to. If they were the least bit intellectually honest–
Anyway, so that, coming on the heels of Ricky Gervais’s very serious roast.
Here’s a piece I just found from an environmentalist decrying apocalyptic claims:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/11/25/why-everything-they-say-about-climate-change-is-wrong/#66dc55ca12d6
Teaser: “I asked the Australian climate scientist Tom Wigley what he thought of the claim that climate change threatens civilization. ‘It really does bother me because it’s wrong,’ he said. ‘All these young people have been misinformed. And partly it’s Greta Thunberg’s fault. Not deliberately. But she’s wrong.’”
It’s a good article.
Unfortunately that is what the whole point of calling someone a climate denier is. It’s not about factually putting someone in a category.
Enh, she’s a symptom more than a cause.
It was Russell Crowe I believe.
I remember in primary school we were taught that one of the key differences between flora and fauna is that animals can often escape the danger like fire–unlike plants.
I saw a story last night telling people that the reports were overblown. I can’t find it now (don’t think it was memory-holed, I just can’t remember enough parameters to find it).
At least we can blame that phoney plastic straw emergency on that nine-year-old kid pulling a giant number out of his ass. What’s this guy’s excuse?
I think the straw thing was because of this. Posted in 2015. 38M views.
Fair enough, it was already something of a katastrophe! but that kid turned it into a krisis!.
I keep beating the “it’s the stupid straw”, but I really think that video sparked the crisis.
Ilhan Omar✔
@IlhanMN
Trump needs to immediately divest from his businesses and comply with the emoluments clause. Iran could threaten Trump hotels *worldwide* and he could provoke war over the loss of revenue from skittish guests.
His business interests should not be driving military decisions.
1) Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.
2) ???
3) Profit!
She really didn’t think through that tweet. It doesn’t make a lick of sense.
I hurt my brain trying figure out her logic.
There is no logic.
Bingo.
Most progressive propaganda is actually aimed at their supporters and is intended to keep them befuddled, deluded and incapable of thinking clearly.
The progressive movement is so totalitarian, and so nakedly operating to taxing the poor and middle class voters on whose behalf they claim to be fighting for the sole benefit of the politically connected, it would be about as popular as the Nazi party should their voting base ever come to its senses.
We’re not the target audience of Ilhan Omar’s tweets. The target audience are people who think she’s a great gal despite all the evidence that she’s just a grifter and user of people.
(((Orangemanbad))) there, understand it now?
Nice touch with the parentheses.
Attack Trump no matter how flimsy the premise. If she was tweeting about ratcheting up tensions in the region I’d be inclined to agree but this angle is just silly.
There are so many other avenues that she could have pursued to criticize Trump, but no she went for crazy. Which is very on brand for the Left nowadays. Much like everything has to do with “Putin” with these people who obviously ride the short bus, everything is a super sneaky plan of mass manipulation by a man who they regard as both a criminal mastermind and a buffoonish lout.
The worst political opposition in American history. Hands down.
It doesn’t have to make any real sense for her loyal followers.
Yaaassssss sssssllllaaayyyy kwweeeeeeen11111111
It’s got all the right buzzwords.
dives…businesses…emoluments clause…Trump hotels…war…revenue
I’m confused… Shouldn’t every politician then divest from any form of monetary compensation? No campaign Donations? No “charitiable” foundations.
I love a logically consistent argument.
If he’s worried about losing revenue from his hotels, wouldn’t he be bending over backwards to make nice with Iran? I’m just a dumb jarhead, but even I can figure that much out.
I think he wanted to get out of syria, because he was worried about Putin nationalizing his Hotels. Or something.
Only professional politicians are allowed to be politicians.
Does she even know what the emoluments clause says?