The Greatest Over/Under Shotgun
Resolved: The Browning Superposed, the swan song of the DaVinci of firearms, is the standard by which all over/under shotguns must be judged. Now that that’s established, I’ll proceed to tell you about this magnificent shotgun and how it came to be the gold standard of stack-barrel shotguns.
The Precursors
Side-by-side doubles have been popular long before the advent of cartridge guns, that layout being the easiest way to get two shots from a front-stuffer without reloading. With the advent of shotshell cartridges, the side-by-side layout remained popular. Side-by-sides are comparatively easy to manufacture, as the layout allows for a simple under-hook or cross-bolt locking system that snugs the barrel breeches up against a stout bearing surface.
Add to that the fact that side-by-sides, at least well-made ones, handle beautifully. I have one such, a hand-made Henry Tolley 12-gauge sidelock side-by-side made in Birmingham, England in 1892. Aside from the challenge of finding 2 ½” 12-gauge shells, it’s a joy to handle and shoot, and will no doubt perform well in the Alaska grouse woods, which is the purpose for which I bought the gun.
The balance point in a double should be just ahead of the action hinge, placing the center of gravity slightly closer to the shooter than in a repeater. The set of the barrels in a double – any double – also allows for a longer barrel with the same overall length as a repeater.
While the same advantages of handling and balance apply to an over/under layout, there are design challenges that side-by-sides do not struggle with; mainly, that being that the over/under barrels make for a deep action, complicating the locking mechanism.
While the over/under platform was the subject of a few expensive hand-made custom guns in the late Nineteenth and early Twentieth centuries, those complications in layout and locking precluded any production models. At least, they did, until America’s Leonardo DaVinci of gun designers looked at the current state of affairs and said, “Challenge accepted.”
John and Val Browning
In the early 1920s, John Browning looked on the various custom over/under shotgun designs and determined that the American shooter would be attracted to the single sighting plane and handling characteristics of the platform, and determined to build his own production version. He referred to the over/under layout as “superposed,” which would become the eventual name of the gun.
Browning’s design used a barrel hook pivoted on a full-width cross bolt, with added bearing surfaces at the barrel breech in the form of extensions on the floor of the action. The full width locking bolt moved forward under the breeches and locked into a slot in the extensions. The result of this was a slim, rugged, relatively light action with great strength.
In 1926, John Browning and his son Val traveled to the FN works in Liege, Belgium, to finalize the design and transfer manufacturing of the world’s first production over/under to the FN plant. But, sadly, John Browning did not live to see his swan song in production; in November of 1926, he died suddenly in his office in the FN works, the victim of an apparent heart attack.
Thus, ended the career of the man who was without doubt the greatest American gun designer to date.
But his new stack-barrel, now officially named the Superposed, did not go into the hereafter with him. John’s son Val stayed at FN and completed his father’s final design.
Val Browning was left with several design issues to be resolved in the Superposed after his father’s death. How he dealt with those is testament to his father’s teaching and the likelihood that Val, who would eventually take the helm of Browning, inherited at least a small measure of his father’s genius. John Browning, at the moment of his passing, had at least three design issues unresolved:
- The selective extractor/ejectors, which were intended to extract unfired shells but eject fired hulls.
- The triggers, for which both double and single trigger designs were in the works.
- The takedown system, which was intended to allow removing barrels from actions without removing the fore end.
Val Browning quickly resolved the first and third issues, along with finalizing the overall fit and finish requirements of what was intended to be a top-end firearm. The triggers ended up being a more complex system, and in the end both double- and single-trigger options were added to the final product.
A Grade 1 Superposed
In 1931, the Superposed entered production. Initially the gun was offered only in 12-gauge, and four grades were available:
- The Grade 1, with conventional double triggers, one firing each barrel. The base Grade 1 sold in 1931 for the princely sum of $107.50, or about $1,840 in today’s dollars.
- The Pigeon Grade, available with fancier wood and either double triggers, a selective or non-selective single trigger, or the Val Browning-designed Twin-Single trigger. This was a neat system of two triggers wherein two pulls of the front trigger fired the lower, more open-choked barrel first and the upper barrel second, where the rear fired the top barrel first and the lower second. This gave the shooter a quick choice of chokes and was handy for targets of different ranges and directions.
- The Diana Grade, with even better wood and the same options of triggers.
- The Midas Grade, with the finest woods, bluing, and other options.
The nicer grades of the Superposed went from $175 to $374, which is from almost $3,000 to a bit over $6,400 in today’s dollars.
Consider the state of the world in general and the United States in particular in 1931. The Great Depression was just getting started, and not many people were interested in spending a lot of money on a carriage-trade gun, no matter how well designed. The sales of the initial Superposed were not impressive, leading Browning to reduce the price of the Grade 1 guns to $99.50 in 1934 and again to $69.75 in 1935. In 1936, trying to grow interest in the gun, Browning brought out the Superposed Lightning, a slimmed-down version that weighted 6 ¾ pounds compared to the standard version/s 7 ½ pounds.
Then World War Two happened. The Wehrmacht overran the FN works and set the factory towards making weapons for the German war effort. Production of Browning arms did not resume until 1946, with Superposed production on hiatus until 1948. Unlike the Auto-5, which was made under license by Remington during the war years, the Superposed simply dropped away; Remington was already building their Model 11, after all, which was basically a licensed reproduction of the Auto-5 without the magazine cut-off, and so they were able to quickly tool up to make the Browning version of the famous long-recoil auto shotgun. The Superposed, on the other hand, languished until FN was free to resume production.
The Post-War Guns
When Superposed production resumed in 1948, only the Grade 1 was offered at first. The first post-war Superposed sold for $241, or $2,600 in today’s dollars.
But Browning, with Val Browning at the helm, was ready to dive into the more prosperous post-war economy in a big way, and one of the ways was to expand on the options available in the company’s flagship over/under. In 1949 a 20-gauge version was introduced, weighting only 6 ½ pounds. In the Fifties, a Magnum 12-gauge was brought out, as well as dedicated trap and skeet versions of the basic gun. In 1959, Browning doubled down by finally offering 28-gauge and .410 bore Superposed although, for some reason, a 16-gauge gun was never offered, perhaps because that wonderful intermediate was already falling from favor with American shooters.
Superposed collectors consider guns made in the Fifties to be the most desirable Superposed guns due to FN’s renowned quality and the variety of options available. But, as with all good things, that happy situation would soon come to an end.
A Midas Grade Superposed.
Throughout the Sixties, increasing labor costs in Belgium had driven the cost of a Grade 1 Superposed up to $435, almost $3,100 in today’s dollars. Browning made some cosmetic changes to the gun to hold the price at a reasonable level, most notably the replacement of the desirable “round knob” pistol grip with a more conventional flat-bottomed type. Fit and finish suffered, although not to the extent of Winchester’s guns following their infamous 1964 re-organization. The Seventies, as we Boomers remember all too well, were marked by double-digit global inflation, combined with stagnant economic growth, which again did not bode well for carriage-trade shotguns.
In 1977, Browning executives decided to scale back Superposed production. For the gun to continue in production at the level of quality to which Browning customers had become accustomed, the Superposed was relegated to production only as a presentation-grade custom-shop piece. Several Presentation Grade models were made from 1977 to 1986, but sales were not robust. In 1986, production of John Browning’s final masterpiece ceased for good.
But Browning wasn’t out of the over/under business yet, not by a long shot.
The Citori.
My Citori with a brace of California Mountain Quail.
While increasing production costs eventually consigned the Superposed to history, Browning Inc. was not done building over/under shotguns. The offspring of the Superposed was, of course, the Mikoru, Japan-produced Citori, a redesign of the basic Superposed platform intended to lower production costs while still producing a strong, reliable, well-balanced fowling piece.
Introduced in 1973, the Citori was initially sold for a bit under $400 – about $2,350 in today’s money. That was still a fancy price, but the Grade 1 Superposed was at this time selling for about $1,100, which translates to $6,450 in 2020 dollars. The Citori was quickly made available in a variety of gauges and finished, and soon offered the Invector choke-tube system, making it even more versatile. The gun quickly gained a strong following, what with the many versions available while the Japanese manufacturer was able to make the gun at lower cost while retaining the quality for which Browning was famous. It was and is, therefore, a worthy successor to the Superposed.
Two Citoris reside in the gun racks at the Casa de Animal. Mine is a 12-gauge Satin Hunter, a great field piece intended for the game fields. The 28” barrels are fitted with the Invector Plus choke tube system and chambered for all 12-gauge loads up to the big 3 ½” Roman candles, making this a very versatile piece. Mrs. Animal’s copy is a 26” White Lightning in her favored 16-gauge, part of a limited run in that gauge made for Davidson’s. The 16 uses the standard Invector choke tubes and is light and fast handling. Mrs. A likes the gun and can shoot it frighteningly well.
Today
These days there are over/under shotguns (and combination guns) from a wide range of manufacturers in a wide range of prices. These include such arms as the imported Russian “Baikal” shotguns that Remington brought on some years ago; I have handled but not fired one of these, and honestly, I don’t think they are worth the gunpowder it would take to blow them to hell. But there are lower priced over/unders from outfits like Mossberg and CZ that are good, well-made, reliable, and solid pieces. Beretta makes a range of over/unders, and of course the Citori is still available in a variety of layouts. Browning also manufactures the odd-looking Cynergy over/under, which is strange to my eyes, but carries with it a reputation worthy of a Browning.
All of these guns are, however, variations on a theme. That theme was established by the great John Browning in his final great work, the Browning Superposed, the world’s first production over/under shotgun, and still, today, the standard by which all other such guns must be measured.
I misread that as “The Browning Superpowered”.
+ 1 3.5″ magnum 12 gauge shell.
That would be the Ma Deuce.
I almost misread “Citori.”/
Who didn’t? 😉
Purty Guns Animal, thanks!
are you up there yet? got all your boating supplies and stuff?
Not yet, We should take possession in January, but the move, Stage 1, will probably happen in late March or early April when we can drive the AlCan with truck and trailer. The moving company with the bulk of our stuff should follow in May or early June. We’re hoping to have the Colorado house sold in June or July, then all will be complete. As far as boating, well, I still have my old canoe and a couple paddles, a more robust system will be bought up there.
Moving 3,200 miles through another country is complicated.
Boats that had tragic accidents……..
Remember to unpack promptly.
I just now unpacked some boxes I thought contained a particular set of books (I moved into this house in 2016). Not only did it not contain the books I thought it did, but it contained the entire first edition run of Shadowboy, the one with the impossible to see cover (too dark) and a lot of typoes that got past the editor.
I’m still not sure where the books I thought were in there are hiding. Maybe in some of the other boxes.
Where are you in CO, Animal?
Aurora.
What do you do during the part when the border nazis on the Canuckistan side ask you if you have any guns with you and if you own any guns at home?
I’m surprised you don’t have to ship them airmail to get past the Canuckacommies.
You can transport most guns through, but there are some bureaucratic hurdles.
I have a question.
Is the answer ‘kancho’?
I will always continue to dedicate my heart, mind, soul, and anus to Kancho Mommy.
I feel you’re angry because you didn’t come up with this business model first:
https://www.youtube.com/c/masugen
It’s like the first 5 minutes of a porno/AV that never stops.
All these guns, The old west must have been filled with lots of people needing to compensate for something.
/ Prog Snark
Great read Animal!
Great article, Animal. I seriously like O/U. In about 1969 I was ready to dip my toes into that area, I went with a Charles Daly, made by Miruku, 20 ga, 26 inch barrels, ImprovCyl and modified. I loved that gun, especially on doves. It was cheaper in price compared to a Browning but still a quality gun.
A lot of my friends went with Spanish made but I liked the Browning look alike. I gave that gun away about 7-8 years ago to my bee partner, I hadn’t shot it in over 20 years and he is a younger man. I don’t think he has shot it either.
I used that gun on a skeet range, did consistently into the low 20s. Thanks for the memories, you take me back a long ways. A nice ride.
I’ve handled some Charles Daly guns but never fired one. My impression is that the quality looks good, not fancy but solid guns. And that’s great. I’m a big fan of “not fancy but solid,” especially in the game fields.
Yes, they are nice*, but…
I am still an SXS kinda guy. Well, that and the one true and holy pump gun; Ithaca 37.
*My brother has used a version of this as his clays gun for years, but still uses an Ithaca for chukars.
Magazine, that is all,
My dream is still to pick up a pre-1975 DS Police Special.
Yes, that is my dream as well.
Shotguns are also Joe Biden’s gun of choice for home perimeter offense. And Federal law says you can only have 2 shells in the tube while hunting ducks, but as many as you want when hunting kids, so clearly that should change.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/30/how-democrats-plan-to-control-new-york-forever/
Sorry to OT on a fun gun article, but i saw this and had a realization that i’m ashamed to say i didn’t fully have before.
Whenever people have talked about fixes for Gerymandering and talked about “independent commissions” to draw up the districts, something has always sat wrong with me on that. And this article helped solidify that for me:.
The IRC must appoint two co-executive directors who are in charge of appointing the commission’s duties. While both houses of the legislature are currently controlled by the same party, the constitution requires that one of the IRC’s executive directors must be a Democrat and the other a Republican. Recently, Democrats voted to jettison this provision.
It also used to be that the executive directors could only be appointed if each received the support of a majority of the IRC commissioners, including at least one of the commissioners appointed by the minority party. Democrats tossed out this guardrail, as well.
That’s right, silly me. Commissions are just smoke and mirrors for parties in power to do what they want anyway.
Don’t worry, New York will continue to atrophy and lose importance.
It’s already irrelevant, next it will be Detroit levels of pointless.
America is ruled by “irrelevant” cities like Detroit, Philladelphia and Atlanta.
It’s not ruled by those cities, it’s ruled by people who pretend to be those cities.
Fuck you. My sexual identity is Worcester.
Properly pronounced wuss-ster, correct?
Wista
Whoo-Stah’
I knew some people years ago from there. That pronunciation is taking me back.
My pronouns are Malden and Peabody.
I thought it was more a ‘woo’ sound and not ‘wuh’. Is woostcher the hillbilly way to say it? It was all the fetchins up what I had.
I remember about 18 years or so ago a good friend of mine was venting to me about one of the guys (a friend of the other roommate) that he was looking for an apartment with in the Boston area because nothing that my buddy had found was acceptable to him. He had sent him a place that had everything that they were looking for and was comfortably below their price limit. As he was venting to me he got a message back that just said “NO MALDEN” and said “Sorry to cut this short but I need to figure out a good plan to get away with murder”.
My first thought was that telling me that over the phone was a bad start ?
Pronounced “pibidi.”
Any “independent” commission with appointed members will never be independent.
Virginia’s version. Note the lack of content on how the members are selected.
give the responsibility of drawing districts to the Supreme Court of Virginia
Nobody is quite as in touch with the representation needs of the common people as the most secluded of the elite.
I hate any notion of entrenching established parties into our laws or constitutions. Maryland voters handily passed an amendment to make the governor go crawling to whatever private organization can claim to be behind the party of outgoing statewide elected officials (of which we have three besides the governor: the lieutenant governor, the comptroller, and the attorney general) for a list of people he is allowed to appoint as replacement. Besides the total lack of necessity for this (the governor previously still had to receive the legislature’s consent, and at least they are elected; alternately, why not hold a special election instead? or, really, fuck it and stop electing positions that shouldn’t be elected).
Redistricting is explicitly a political question, according to the courts, and yet they can’t stop sticking their dicks into the matter.
Finishing the unfinished sentence: “Besides the total lack of necessity for this (…), it smells like a lowercase-s soviet, and it explicitly elevates private unelected organizations above the elected branches of government”.
Also, here’s the full details of the measure, which as far as I can tell just raises the question “why was this convoluted bullshit necessary?” Of course, the real reason for it was because a Republican dared to win the Maryland governorship, even if he is a squish (thus proving the futility of compromising with assholes, reinforced by 2020’s Question 1).
Political questions can come up with the wrong answer, so the courts must intervene. /proglogic
The KY Supremes put serious limits on gerrymandering back in the 90s. It still allows the party (pr parties) in power to play games, but within limits. They only allow the minimum number of counties to be split. That still allows lots of silly games to be played, but eliminates the snake running across the state to pick up bits here and there type stuff.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-f3d0203ab30e3b77adef57d5a450afc7
OUT: Hat and the Hair
IN: Boot and Beau
Wow.
That Midas grade is one of the prettiest guns I’ve ever seen.
Thanks for the lesson, Animal!
https://www.kcrg.com/2020/11/30/sen-chuck-grassley-cleared-to-return-to-washington-following-quarantine/
Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley has returned to work at his Washington office on Monday after quarantining due to COVID-19.
Grassley tested positive for COVID-19 on November 17.
The 87-year-old senator was reportedly asymptomatic during his quarantine, and has since been cleared to return to work by his doctors.
Tough old bastard.
No apparent co-morbidities, since stupidity doesn’t count. Apologies if you somehow find him a non-repugnant political figure.
Him and Feinstein, old enough to be bored of the whole thing,
too young to die,
too
youngevil to die,Die young?
Yeah, I think the “old or comorbidities” needs to be replaced with “comorbidities”. Its just that the old have more of them. Most 87 year olds have at least a few.
There is a certain decline in resilience with age, but I think the high death rate in oldsters is mostly due to them having actual comorbities.
Apologies if you somehow find him a non-repugnant political figure.
He’s been my Senator or Representative since I was a young man.
Gentleman farmer with a MS in Poly Sci, never actually completed the PhD. A deficit hawk, with a passion for Ag subsidies (you don’t get elected in Iowa if you campaign against Ag).
I’ve met the man in person. Very low-key, totally lackluster personality. But, I’ve never questioned his integrity.
He needs to retire, but I doubt he will go as long as the Republican control of the senate is in question.
Please do not sully the man by mentioning him in the same breath as Feinstein or Schummer.
Upon looking it up, Gopher* was only in the House for 8 years. I would have guessed much longer.
*your discussion made me look up the only other IA politician I can remember.
Tom Harkin, on the other had, was an utter fucking embarrassment for decades.
I have nothing against Ag, just don’t think it should be subsidized – Hayek and all that sort of thing. Deficit hawk eh? And you say he’s a Republican – must be a strange bird as I didn’t think Republicans really sported that plumage. Oh, like magpies, they imitate it quite well, just don’t get taken in for the real thing.
must be a strange bird as I didn’t think Republicans really sported that plumage
I have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
He was rated one of the most conservative senators for decades (while Harkin was rated one of the most liberal senators for pretty much the same time).
No Republican in DC gives a damn about the deficit – but they care greatly about the spending that benefits their own state/district. Just like the Republican talk about small government, it is bullshit we are fed until we refuse to eat any more.
The number of elected Republicans who care about the deficit is only slightly smaller than the number of voters who do. Why worry about the deficit when the money printer seems to have no limits?
In fact, on fiscal questions anymore, it seems the only difference between Democrats and Republicans is who should be punished or rewarded by tax policy. The SALT deduction cap being a great inversion of their “typical” positions on the issue of taxes, it reveals that tax policy has little to do with revenue (why would it? real money comes from inflation) and a lot to do with screwing over the people you don’t like. For both parties, this is anyone who’s made their money legitimately and/or without giving enough it to the right political causes.
Getting the govt we (the entire public) deserve.
Shotguns – truly reminding me of my beer budget and champagne tastes.
RC Dean,
Thanks for your reply to my discovery argument on the last post. I didnt see it in time to respond there. Its good to know courts are at least somewhat reasonable.
Amusingly, the statistical model that CMS requires for analyzing large scale medical billing fraud goes by the moniker “RAT-STATS”. If you catch a medical billing complaint from CMS, expect to pay in the high five figures, at a minimum, to a consultant proficient in the use of this model.
Unpopular (but true) opinion:
There are many things that Americans do better than anyone else – rock music, movies, BBQ, beer, software development, trucks, and pistols.
Shotguns are not one of those things. The Germans and the Italians have been kicking our asses, with regard to sporting shotguns, for generations.
(See also – sports cars and motorcycles.)
Still a fascinating article. Just, you know, the entire premise is wrong.
Like the other Italian things I lust for, a Beretta O/U is one I’ll probably never have.
(See also – sports cars and motorcycles.)
You didn’t even mention the Japanese.
No, and I probably should have, but while Japan does some amazing things with bikes and cars, their shotguns are pretty meh in my experience.
beer
With caveats. We generally suck at German-style or Czech-style or Belgian-style or British-style beers. But we rock at USA-style beers.
Yeah, it’s already been established that we Murkins can make shitty bitter IPA swill. But we sure do come up with some creative names for it.
[insert eyeroll here]
I think certain breweries have made some great strides in replicating those specific styles. But the brewery pretty much is going to be built around them (such as Ommegang). If they’re just trying to branch out and dabble in the sides, they usually won’t have the water chemistry nailed for it.
I was going to mention Ommegang. They do Belgian style beers well.
Of course, they are owned by Duvel, so….
True, but replicating specific water chemistries isnt that hard. But that is why I put the generally in there. Ommegang, Metropolitan, they are the exceptions (also my hefeweizen).
Why John Browning was working for a Belgian company?
And I’d put us in the middle of the pack for pistols, maybe a little better for rifles.
Middle of the pack? Maybe, *maybe* if you only look at the pistols themselves. If you look at the entire culture of pistolcraft, it’s a runaway. No one else is even close.
Even if you only look at American pistols, we have the Colt Model 1876, the 1911A1 and the K-frame Smith. That covers a lot of ground.
Hard to look at all the Sigs, Berettas, CZs, FNs, Glocks, HKs, Serbian-made Springfields, etc. in your typical gun shop (most chambered in 9mm Euro-pellet) and think USA!
That’s an irony I love – all of those European brand pistols that have virtually no market on their own continent.
heh. Euro-pellet.
I’ll be stealing that.
“No one else is even close.”
Bingo.
Rock Music? Were you dropped on your head as a child?
Great Britain is close in this category. The defining factor came down to, we had late-50’s surf guitar rock, and they didn’t.
How about, we invented it?
I think you mean appropriated it from African slave music.
I’ll give you that the USA may excel in some sub categories of Rock, but in what most would consider straight ahead Rock-n-Roll they get walloped.
Yeah, the English say, “hold my pint…”
https://www.purdey.com/guns-rifles/side-by-side-guns
Also, see Rifles; Holland and Holland.
https://www.hollandandholland.com/the-royal-double-rifle
English gunmakers can make some nice guns.
Don’t forget high-speed pizza delivery.
As someone who has never hunted fowl, I don’t know this answer.
When you cook those, doesn’t the shot embedded in them chip your teeth? Asking for a friend actually.
You just have to get the meat hot enough for the shot to melt.
Ah, it all makes sense now.
Chew soft but well and spit the pits.
Lead gravy?
As noted, chew softly – lead is bad enough, but damn steel shot will crack a good tooth.
You can frequently see the track left by shot in the meat.
Following shots (the bird is flying away) often result in no pellets in the eatable part of the bird. During his quail-hunting heyday (limiting out every day during the long Texas quail season), Pater Dean would try to only take following shots for that reason. We were only eating the breasts; its possible there were a few pellets in the legs.
Old joke.
Thanksgiving, way back when. Dad hunted for days and just couldn’t bag a bird. Finally he hit a good sized turkey, but he peppered it with shot. Things being rough, they made the best of it and roasted the thing up for T/G.
After dinner, the youngest son went to the bathroom. He came running back down, screaming, ” Mom, I was taking a pee and a BB popped out!” She told him it’s OK, don’t worry about it.
Then, the middle kid went to the bathroom and came running down and repeated the concern. Mom reassured him the same way.
Finally, the oldest son went to the bathroom. Sure enough, a few minutes later he came running down the stairs all excited.
Mom stopped him and said, ” I know, I know, you were peeing and a bb popped out?”
” No, mom, I was jacking off and I shot the dog!”
lol
A week or two ago, NPR had a shrieking panic fest over the use of lead ammunition because there is no safe level of lead in the human body! And even worse, some states accept meat that has been harvested with lead ammo and give the filthy poison to food banks! It’s just another way deplorables hate poor people.
Now aluminum and thimerosal in vaccines.
THAT’S DIFFERENT!!!111111!!1
I had a rant about that back on H&R I think. There is some minimum level of lead in the bloodstream that your instruments can detect, and so that is the “lowest known level where effects from lead are observable” or some such. The lead scaremongering is ridiculous. The Romans drank out of lead pipes and lead pitchers (this does not prove lead is safe, only that an entire society can tolerate unsafe exposure to lead, for a while anyway), solder used in electronics works way better with lead and hobbyists aren’t falling over dead, and the claim that removing lead from gasoline saved us from the crime wave of the 70s is rather aggressively confounded by the threefold increase in incarceration rates over the same timeframe. You want to keep lead exposure within reasonable limits, but you’re not going to fall over dead from a little lead.
Ditto asbestos, for what it’s worth. Yes, asbestosis/mesothelioma are nasty bitches, but asbestos has several useful properties. Finding better ways to use it and minimize the risks seems like a better idea to me than banning it entirely.
some states accept meat that has been harvested with lead ammo
When I was a kid, the mobile butcher service used a .22 to the head.
https://vetmed.iastate.edu/sites/default/files/vdpam/Extension/Dairy/Programs/Humane%20Euthanasia/Download%20Files/EuthanasiaWallChart-11×17-20120810.pdf
A graphical proof that cows are stupid.
My brother left yesterday afternoon. He was here for two days
On packing up to leave he asked if he could take a Browning Citori O/U 20 gauge.
“It’s your gun, why are you asking me? Take the cleaning kit too.”
I would have put 500 rounds of #7 shot in his truck to go with it if it were not for that awful boating accident.
He doesn’t own a boat?
Before they sank we both had boats and guns.
Odd thing is he couldn’t miss with the O/U Citori but couldn’t hit the side of a barn with the S/S. I couldn’t miss with the S/S and couldn’t hit the side of a barn with the O/U.
Go figure.
Video from the AZ hearing on election fraud. Sure the machines are directly connected to the MSM via the internet and yes, there were server-level vote swaps in 2018.
Waldron does a good job explaining exactly how the Dominion machines and other machines allow count manipulation and what evidence they’ve uncovered so far. There’s a backdoor program called Q-Snatch that allows remote entry into any of the machines.
The full hearing is here. Waldron starts explaining at ~11:58 EST (it’s still live so the video time marks constantly change).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rri6flxaXww&feature
That’s my term for the girly pic posts on glibs.
I didn’t catch it anywhere, was this all sworn testimony?
Also Q-snatch is a bit of malware, not a backdoor program from Dominion.
Q-snatch is certainly a backdoor program. Whether it’s malware or not is a separate issue and I did not claim Dominion installed it.
A backdoor program could either be malware or purposely built-in, although I would consider a built-in backdoor to be malware if the user is unaware.
It’s the difference between remote access and an exploit.
That said, even if it was intentional – and this seems to be the case – the fact that you have remote access on this sort of a device ought to raise red flags.
It’s one thing to have egress in place (say, from a DMZ or dedicated ‘send’ box) that rolls up data to a central server, and something else entirely to have ingress to these sorts of devices. That allows for much more than just data access, and is ripe for other actions than read-only.
It is malware, and it absolutely should not have been on that or any other server. It is exceedingly unlikely that it was put there, deliberately, by the vendor. Remember, these are the SAME MACHINES used in Florida and Ohio and yet no one is blathering about vote miscalculations there. Must be you got the result you wanted.
Nor can you claim that a piece of malware on one machine means that same malware exists on all of them. Again, if you want to taint all Dominion results, then you throw Florida and Ohio into the same pile. As for AZ, that machines was only used in Maricopa county, and the county official responsible was a Democrat (who lost his re-election bid by some 5000 votes to a Republican; strange that he wouldn’t have changed enough votes for himself, no?).
Something cheerful to brighten your day.
And if that doesn’t do it, you can enjoy a tard fight!
I saved money by not buying a nu-Henry .44 until they made it with a loading gate.
Well, now they have. But I really don’t have the spare cash for such a thing right now. That’d buy me a case and a half of 9mm.
Now my excuse is “I’m waiting to see what the new Ruger Marlins are like.”
Dagnabitt! Now, I have to have one of those, exactly the one in the vid, all weather and side loader in .44 mag.
Yeah, I do love that all-weather finish.
*watches video*
*blows dust out of empty wallet*
*haz a sad*
Even worse for you then, LTT is taking orders for their tuned Beretta 1301 Tacticals, delivery in mid-Feb.
You just had to go and tell me that…
*sigh*
Already got my Beretta 1301. And it has all their upgrades, except it currently has a Mesa side-saddle rail and shell holder, instead of the Aridus (which was out of stock, future delivery dates unknown). I like the Mesa even though the rail is a trifle tall, but with the Magpul adjustable stock my Trijicon RMR lines up real nice.
Two upgrades on mine they don’t have: I put a mercury recoil reducer in the stock, which fit in the removable cheek riser no problem. And I put on a vertical foregrip.
All of this (plus the case of 00 and the case of slugs) explains why my wallet is kinda light these days.
*chants to self*
“I’m not going to stock yet another caliber.”
Wow that is pretty. But like RC there are tumbleweeds in my wallet.
Have a great St Andrews Day.
I did almost nothing all day
Hi Everyone,
So, I’ve just completed the move. So far, so good.
Once I return to some semblance of financial stability (to the point of being able to treat myself), I’m hoping to start building my gun collection. My Dad used to go hunting. And my brother is pretty avid at it. It’s something I’ve always wanted to take up, but never had the opportunity.
Already some great little things that you’d never stop and think are pleasant differences. Yesterday (my first in the new house) I woke up and got to listen to roosters crowing while enjoying my first cigarette of the morning. A little later, a couple of gun blasts and a host of dogs barking (the neighbor explained that it’s duck season). Last night, there was a frog on the wall by my door. I guess it’s all pretty prosaic stuff. But, I like it.
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I absolutely love drinking coffee in the morning here and watching the critters. Now that winter is getting here, the Blue Jays come around in flocks of seven or eight and make for some entertaining company.
The squirrels and jays squabble like cats and dogs outside my office window. Very fun. Then the spoil-sport cardinals come along and chase everybody away. Very pretty.
To respond to your earlier question: sure, ask away. If you and UnCiv are on emailing terms, he can give you my address.
Excellent, thanks. I don’t believe UCS have conversed privately. My email is moriah at moriahjovan dot com. However, right now I don’t know enough to ask the right questions.
When I was a kid and went camping with my folks, feeding the jays bits of pancake was very entertaining.
Very nice.
Frogs aren’t prosaic!
https://youtu.be/nS6Tn_Gt3EA
He’s a piker compared to me.
Well, all his crimes are forgiven due to being caused by white privilege. You’re guilty, do not proceed to first, report directly to last.
Oddly enough, the killer’s racial identity is never mentioned.
Maybe the editors figured the full color photo of the killer at the top of the article would clue most people in.
My local news puts up bulletins for wanted people. They mention height, weight, hair color, and eye color, but never ever race. If you are not looking at the teevee you would never know.
Typical of the Post to not have sensitivity to the sight-impaired.
Why is it So difficult to photograph minis?
I’m going to go for a walk in the rain.
Don’t forget your cake.
I think the photograph looks pretty good. What are you looking for?
I guess the thing i could say is that the point of focus and depth of field seem to be hovering around the foot of mini rather than the top.
I’m trying to show off the new base without leaving the model a blurry mess
Well if that is the case then my second comment doesn’t apply as it was intentional. I don’t know. at some point you have to accept some blur in the rest of the model to help draw the eye to the base of the model. For what it’s worth that is what my eye was doing when looking at the pic.
That Midas grade gun you have pictured is a good looking gun.
I don’t think they are worth the gunpowder it would take to blow them to hell
This made me chuckle.
Thanks for the write-up!
Animal –
Thanks for the article, good stuff!
Before the boating accident, I may have had a Browning Gold Hunter (12ga) that shot like a dream. There were some issues with the early models of that in the 3 1/2″ version, but the one I
havehadiswas perfect. They still make the Gold Hunter, but only in 10ga.Not an O/U, of course, but what I could do at the time.
do Bonsai trees take 30 days to germinate? We shall see,
/calling Bullshit