Thursday Morning Links

by | Sep 11, 2025 | Daily Links | 429 comments

I don’t even have words for what happened yesterday. But today is another day. Oh that’s right…today is 9/11. That’s just great. Well, let me try and put something together.

The hole keeps getting deeper. Do they not ever vet these people?

“Activist group says.” Uh, we all saw the dumbass set off the flare that came back down dummy.

Incoming accusations of racism in 3…2…1… The only color that matters to these companies is green. Which is as it should be. So expect more of this.

Mind your own business, commie scum. You’re not in charge. And none of the events are in the city you hope to run anyway.

“Sexually assaulted” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. In fact, one might even think it’s a ridiculous claim to make.

The far left never stops. Of course, it’s the UK so they’ll probably ban matches and gasoline.

How can Houstonians keep electing this woman? Maybe they’re collectively as stupid as she is.

She can’t be gone soon enough. Which typically means she’ll be there for as long as she wants. This woman is a sociopath.

Well, somebody ought to be criminally charged. But it’s Stockton, so nothing will happen.

Speaking of Houstonians electing and reelecting imbeciles… This one is even worse than Crockett, if only marginally.

I can always count on these guys to cheer me up when I need it. And today I definitely need it. This probably won’t do it completely, but it will help a bit. Enjoy them.

And enjoy this lovely Thursday, dear friends. R.I.P. Charlie Kirk. And may God keep your wife and children close.

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429 Comments

  1. Common Tater

    The church is playing bells.

    • SDF-7

      Oh… now you invoked it… Speaking of things that cheer me up…

      • Common Tater

        Sorry, don’t do youtube on this machine.

      • SDF-7

        Have a transcript then?

      • Common Tater

        “Have a transcript then?”

        Page is down.

      • SDF-7

        Sigh… no idea then… Works fine here.

        Monty Python “Bells” sketch if you want to try to find it yourself. If you don’t for such a minor joke, I entirely understand.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Not for me.

    • Rat on a train

      tubular?

      • Common Tater

        Mourning. I thought Charlie Kirk, but maybe for 9/11? I don’t remember that though.

  2. Brochettaward

    If you can’t handle me at me secondest, you don’t deserve me at my Firstest.

    • SDF-7

      Is that a promise?

      • SDF-7

        Would also have accepted this, but nice choice.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Arrrrr, me secondest, mateys. 🏴‍☠️

  3. Common Tater

    “The constituency office of Labour Member of Parliament Sharon Hodgson was set ablaze, according to British media reports on Thursday. Six firefighting units were needed to extinguish the flames at 12:10 AM.

    The arsonist graffitied: “328 days blood on your hands” on the office building, according to The Telegraph.

    While a motive is not yet known, the Telegraph noted that it has been 328 days since Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar was killed in Gaza.”

    Motive seems obvious.

    • rhywun

      arsonist suspected to have been motivated by Gaza war commie ratfuckers

      FTFY

    • The Last American Hero

      Oddly enough, if they arsonist wrote “England is for the English”, they would be 100% certain of the motive.

  4. Sean

    Music choices…
    <=====

    • sloopyinca

      Does that mean they’re less than?

      • cavalier973

        Some music choices seem to be more equal than others.

      • Ted S.

        My music choices are the most equal of all.

    • The Other Kevin

      It was love at first sound when I heard them in the 80’s. That has not faded over the years.

      • rhywun

        #metoo

  5. UnCivilServant

    How can Houstonians keep electing this woman?

    Wasn’t she just redistricted out?

    • sloopyinca

      In a sense, her district was redrawn. But I’d be shocked if she doesn’t run in the new district that’s more densely blue and win it easily.

  6. SDF-7

    In fact, one might even think it’s a ridiculous claim to make.

    Also in fact… dredging up an incident from 6 years ago… for a reporter laid off from a TV station in a different country in the midst of several layoffs (noted en passant near the bottom from an article they’d only been at 2 years ago — makes one think “What was the point of this, anyway?”

    I’d ask if it was a slow news day… but obviously, it shouldn’t be.

    Morning all… not good, but try not to get bogged down in this Day of Suck too badly. Thanks for the links, Sloopy.

    • Sensei

      Let’s not forget it’s 9/11 too. The excuse for further crushing liberty in the US.

      Tough to forget around here with local news, armed agents of the state everywhere and the big American flag in my work lobby.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Remember who the chief architect of the par-baked Patriot Act was.

      • WTF

        The Patriot Act – a long-standing wish list of things the government wanted but couldn’t get until 9/11 provided the excuse to ram it through.

      • ron73440

        I didn’t know much back then, Glenn Beck bitching about the Patriot Act slowly started to enlighten me.

  7. SDF-7

    it’s the UK so they’ll probably ban matches and gasoline.

    More likely they’ll ban support for Israel first.

  8. Brochettaward

    How can Houstonians keep electing this woman? Maybe they’re collectively as stupid as she is.

    I saw Crockett was part of the UFO hearings this week and she took the stance that all the evidence somehow points to UFO’s (I’m not using the stupid new acronym – I’m old school) having a terrestrial origin such as being from a foreign adversary. Yea, then within minutes there’s testimony from a guy from the Air Force who says he witnessed a triangular object larger than a C-130 hover over a Air Force base for an extended period of time. True or not, the accounts (and at this point videos) make clear that whatever is out there is not a foreign adversary. And if it was, we’d be well and truly fucked if a war broke out.

    • sloopyinca

      ::dusts off Slim Whitman record just in case::

    • DrOtto

      I know a guy who used to trade LSD for coke from military guys because he says they don’t/can’t test for LSD in the military. But I’m sure that has nothing to do with this guy’s testimony.

      • Brochettaward

        There were reportedly many witnesses to this event. I don’t know if it’s true.

        But we have very strange, very real videos of unidentified objects doing things that no human craft could do that there are no explanation for. That isn’t LSD.

      • Brochettaward

        There’s a point where the skepticism people have on this subject just becomes ignorance if not willful ignorance. No insult meant to you here.

        There’s something very real going on. There’s too much evidence and too many credible witnesses to weird shit to just pretend it’s all bullshit. And we really only need one unexplained case to be true for the narrative people have concocted to dismiss it all to go the wayside.

      • Not Adahn

        Speaking only for myself:

        1) Eyewitness testimony is often crap. I’ve seen this from other people, and I’ve seen it from myself.

        2) Is it possible that there are advanced flying craft that the manufacturers of don’t want the general public to no about. It’s not just possible, it’s likely.

        3) Does 2) override 1) when it comes to specific fact claims about size/speed/maneuverability? No.

        4) Does lumping in “new non-famous aircraft” with the same term as “flying saucers from outer space” strike me as disingenuous at best? Yes.

      • Brochettaward

        So your argument is that weapons manufacturers and our government have what would have to be anti-gravity technology, but have decided to keep it so under wraps despite it having the ability to revolutionize the world and make insane profits?

        It’s a pretty bold claim. To me, it’s harder to believe than the alternative frankly.

      • Not Adahn

        With respect Bro, if you ever find yourself writing

        anti-gravity technology

        You are in fact talking out of your ass, and anyone who doesn’t see this is not someone who’s opinion on the subject you should trust.

        From both a theoretical and technological standpoint we are closer to being able to raise the dead than control gravity.

        So, go back to 1).

      • Brochettaward

        Yes, yes we are.

        Now go look at some of the videos of UFO’s and tell me exactly what it is you’re seeing when you are looking at aircraft that can hover in place, move in 360 degrees of direction on a dime and move faster than anything publicly known to have been created by humanity.

      • Not Adahn

        If you (for whatever reason) are unwilling to accept “I don’t know” then please know that propulsion based on literally any other of reaction drive, even one as unrealistic as antimatter, has the great advantage of being at least within many orders of magnitude the power required for antigravity.

      • Threedoor

        Army guys will use meth and coke on the Thursday of a four day weekend believing that it’s out of their system by Tuesday.

  9. Rat on a train

    I’m surprised Mamdani didn’t call for all entertainment to use progressive pricing systems.

    • juris imprudent

      Not to mention, not one game is being played in the jurisdiction he wants to preside over. Talk about useless noise.

    • R.J.

      Don’t give him ideas.

    • cyto

      Didn’t bother because they will have “official” entertainment soon.

      • UnCivilServant

        And attendance and viewership will be manditory.

      • (((Jarflax

        Viewership is a micro aggression against the blind. Do better!

      • UnCivilServant

        Don’t worry, they’ll never see it.

      • (((Jarflax

        Touche!

    • DrOtto

      Entertainment is a human right!

  10. Sensei

    “We are focused on ensuring fair access to our game for existing but also prospective fans, and are offering group stage tickets starting at $60, a very competitive price point for a major global sporting event in the U.S.”

    Congratulations to the 12 people who will be the entirety of this group and be sure to bring binoculars so you can see the event.

    • sloopyinca

      Supply and demand. FIFA should just ignore the complaining and/or tell everybody they should be happy they don’t have to go to an Islamist slave state this time around.

      • Ted S.

        Auction the tickets.

    • (((Jarflax

      Trump is deporting all the poor people who like soccer.

      • rhywun

        Maybe now the USMNT can finally enjoy a proper home game instead the deliberately crafted “away” games they always play on US soil.

      • juris imprudent

        You know what kills me about USMNT fans – their pitiful attempts at chanting or singing (which only seems to consist of “U”, “S”, “A” – like you can’t think of anything else?).

  11. rhywun

    “the war on Gaza and ensuing humanitarian disaster”

    JFC. Never change, The Guardian.

  12. cyto

    Dynamic ticket pricing eliminates scalping. This will crush large parts of the secondary market, which likely makes more than the entertainment acts.

    This is a better explanation for politicians stepping in.

    • UnCivilServant

      How so? Wouldn’t it increase opportunities for scalping? If some people can get them cheaper, they have more of an incentive to resell.

      • cyto

        The dynamic pricing eliminates the gap between the set price and the price the market will bear. So instead of scalpers buying 3,000 floor seats at $150 per ticket and reselling them for $300 to $1,500, the vendor will get those prices.

        Making a proper market is probably a bit tricky, but scalping is just bog standard arbitrage trading. An efficient market will always eliminate gaps between supply and demand.

      • UnCivilServant

        So, it does nothing but drive up the final scalped price because the cheaper tickets will not be available.

      • juris imprudent

        UCS what part of supply and demand do you not understand?

      • UnCivilServant

        Scalpers will always restrict supply, so the market price rises.

        The venue will never find the perfect value which makes scalping unprofitable while being acceptable to the intended audience.

      • Threedoor

        Are there physical tickets to scalp anymore?

        The last concert I went to (three years ago) it was all digital, I had to download ticketmasters app to even get them.

        The fat at the box office was cool and printed out real stubs for me and the BIL though.

      • UnCivilServant

        Are there physical tickets to scalp anymore?

        No clue. Concerts are so unapealing a prospect I’ve never gone. Too much about it from the logistics to the crowd to the lower quality music versus the studio composition, it all just said “stay away”.

        I’m more used to scalpers scooping up first release plastic crack which can only ever be a physical product.

    • DrOtto

      I forsee an increase in counterfeit tickets. Scalpers have to eat too.

      • Grummun

        I forsee an increase in counterfeit tickets. Scalpers have to eat too.

        I have learned this is why some places require digital tickets on your phone. The ticket is actually like a time-based one-time-password. If you print the QR code, it won’t work, the QR code has to be correct for the time at which it is scanned to be valid.

      • The Last American Hero

        My baseball tickets were like that. The QR code didn’t go live until a day before the game.

  13. cavalier973

    The question someone asked Charlie just before he was shot was something about the number of mass shooters in the last ten years. Charlie asked, “including or not including gang violence?”

    I’ve been blocking people on Substack. They don’t actually believe Charlie was an evil Zionist Nazi; they are just paid to post that stuff to get other people riled up.

    I kind of wish that he had a couple of people up there on the stage with binoculars, scanning the rooftops. That’s what I would do, going forward. I wonder if speakers will now have to have a bullet proof screen in front of them.

    …..

    24 years ago, I was sitting in my office, when one of the floor workers came to tell me that a plane had hit one of the World Trade Center towers. I dismissed it as a Howard Stern joke sketch. I thought it was like a Cessna hitting the side of the building.

    We wheeled the television into my office.

    Another coworker and I watched as a man in a suit fell past multiple stories, until he dropped behind another building.

    Some guy called me; wrong number.

    Another coworker blamed all the Mexicans sneaking into the country; I asked him if he thought the Mexicans committed the attack. I think he was arguing that the open border allowed the terrorists to get into the country, but it turned out they had entered legally.

    The company owner had a company-wife meeting, and basically told us that The Salvation Army was a better charity than the Red Cross.

    It was two years before what happened really hit me, and I began to cry about the attacks.

    • Sensei

      I was uptown, but unable to get home. I won’t bore you with that awful 18 hours and the 10s of miles I walked in leather soled dress shoes.

      My worst direct memory was coming home the next day in the AM and seeing all the cars in the commuter parking lot and wondering how many of their owners’ died.

      Nothing compared to my neighbor who watched the jumpers and was one of the dust covered people that literally got hosed down on the NJ side of the Hudson river.

    • SDF-7

      I was at work — only a couple of other coworkers there (since it was early on the West Coast), we heard about the first plane — and got video somewhere in time to see the second go in. That made it more than sufficiently real.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Yep…I think I had on Opie and Anthony? And thought it was a bit.

        By the time I rolled into work and not an engineer was working but rather hudled in the small conference room with our secretary in tears…shit was real.

        Called home, told my first wife, pregnant with my oldest to get to my parents or her parents house and just keep in contact. Irrational? Maybe, but that was the day.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        I was asleep (worked swing at the time) and my friend Pete called to tell me. West coast, no TV, I didn’t really get the full scoop until that night at work.

    • rhywun

      I watched the 2nd plane hit, dropped my coffee, and walked home. It took about five hours.

      they had entered legally

      And we have learned *nothing* since.

      • Sensei

        “And we have learned *nothing* since.”

        Or possibly a few learned exactly the wrong thing. But I agree.

    • UnCivilServant

      I heard about the first plane in my 8am CompSci class from the professor, but class went on as normal. I forget whether I saw the second plane live or on replay later.

      It was an oddly normal day otherwise.

    • Gdragon

      I was working in CT when the planes hit so I couldn’t get back into NYC and my fiancee had to spend the evening “alone”. My first words when I saw her were “Never again”.

    • Rat on a train

      My first hint of something unusual was emails from former coworkers about being safe at home. I then watched the traffic from my desk as everyone left Washington. I stayed until my normal quitting time. The roads were empty by then.

      • Gdragon

        I’ll also always remember the angriest that I have ever seen a person. Our risk manager.

        “Are you guys actually fucking trading this?!?!”

        I’ve never seen a room go so quiet.

      • Rat on a train

        I also recall CNN’s website was so overloaded they switched to a static front page.

    • Ed Wuncler

      I was a sophomore in high school. I remember my biology teacher briefly referencing that the WTC got hit but I didn’t take it too seriously because I vaguely remembered the 1993 attack. Throughout the day, we heard more stuff about what happened and heard that DC got hit and that was when I knew it was serious. It was only when I got home from school at around three when I realized the total destruction and depravity of those acts. I watched the scenes of the towers collapsing and was just sick to my stomach.

    • The Last American Hero

      I was in Skagway Alaska, about to leave the hotel for work. My coworker told me to turn on the TV for a minute.

      It was odd being in a remote place while the world was losing its shit. I also flew back to the lower 48 a few days later when airports began to reopen. That was weird because on one hand, there was no TSA, airport security had been given hastily put together protocols “just do something”, and yet there wasn’t any fear of Jihadi’s launching an attack from Juneau so it was hard for them to get a handle on what they should be doing.

      • Threedoor

        I was asleep in Pacific time zone.

        My mom ran over to my apartment and banged on the window to wake me up.

        My first thought was the parking lot bombing, they got it this time.

        College was weird. My first class was the conference goon on campus. Watched it on the drop down screen.

        I almost went over to the registers office and dropped out to Jo join the infantry. It was three years later when I blew off college for the army. Didn’t go bang bang. That was a bad decision.

    • DEG

      I dismissed it as a Howard Stern joke sketch.

      A coworker told me about it as we went into the office. I too thought it was joke. Then… I checked CNN’s website.

    • Gustave Lytton

      Getting ready to head into the armory for the last week of my makeup annual training. Turned the tv on while ironing my blouse and the first plane had hit already. Took a shower and came out and a second plane and Pentagon had been hit, went from “oh my god” to “we’re under attack”.

  14. WTF

    Interesting take posted on Instapundit:

    “I hold open the possibility that Kirk’s murder was performed by foreign intelligence in an attempt to sow internal discord. So I’m not yet ready to blame the Left for the murder itself.
    However the *celebrations* on the Left are not a product of foreign intelligence. And everyone engaging in them, or excusing them, deserves far more than just blame. How the fuck can killing a young father in front of his children just for saying WORDS ever be considered something worth celebrating?
    The Left is mentally sick. Diseased. Ungrounded. Truly delusional. The evidence for this is overwhelming.”

    • Brochettaward

      Have they looked the whack job tranny who was crying over Kirk speaking at the school and then said something big would happen tomorrow? Or is that just fake bullshit?

      • Not Adahn

        Sharpshooter fallacy.

        Jezebel apparently did in fact pay to have Kirk cursed by witches, but I don’t think that justifies a raid on their offices.

    • Rat on a train

      The PaRaDoX oF tOlErAnCe!!!

    • cavalier973

      She is covering her mouth, and glances quickly to the woman sitting across from her, who ignores her, and then back to the floor.

      That glance hits me hard, because I interpret it as the girl thinking, “what just happened? Is anyone going to help me? No…no one will help me.” And she dies.

    • cyto

      CNN went hard on the “you are totally Hitler if you see any race angle to this”. Vance Jones was at the vanguard.

      I blame we the people. We have to stop tolerating the gaslighting. CNN tells us that nobody said white until Charlie Kirk said it. This, despite audio from the killer.

      The same people will still tell you that Trump a mob to attack the Capital and kill Mike Pence, murdering many police officers in the attempt.

      • trshmnstr

        I blame we the people. We have to stop tolerating the gaslighting.

        With all due respect, this particular people doesn’t have any power or influence to tolerate or not tolerate CNN. I don’t pay for cable or streaming, so they don’t get any of my money.

        There’s no “we the people” anymore. National unity has been dead for a while, and a half dozen forms of tribalism have replaced it. Even if every person with half a soul left did everything in their power to torpedo CNN, there’s still 30% of the country who eats this slop up and wouldn’t mind seeing another attempt on Trump.

    • Threedoor

      Her being white was THE reason.

  15. Common Tater

    “We Paid Some Etsy Witches to Curse Charlie Kirk

    If the far-right misogynist with a bad haircut wants to villainize independent women, Jezebel is more than happy to be the hag of his nightmares.

    Editor’s Note: This story was published on September 8. Jezebel condemns the shooting of Charlie Kirk in the strongest possible terms. We do not endorse, encourage, or excuse political violence of any kind.”

    https://www.jezebel.com/we-paid-some-etsy-witches-to-curse-charlie-kirk

    Perfectly normal behavior from sane people.

    • SDF-7

      I assume that’s their alibi for having anything to do with the shooter — no one would seriously think that shit would do anything.

      • (((Jarflax

        It’s them having their cake and eating it too. They get to appeal to the large subset of the left that is celebrating this, while virtue signaling to the saner contingent that they were totes just kidding, and don’t cheer murder.

  16. Ownbestenemy

    Man 24 years ago. What a day and two decades later a difference makes.

    • WTF

      Yeah, now NYC is going to elect a Hamas-supporting communist mayor.

      • rhywun

        Maybe they’ll finally get that Ground Zero Mosque built.

      • dbleagle

        Touche

    • Not Adahn

      It’s like when a Columbia-degreed journalist refers to a blogger as “some guy in his pajamas.”

      • Gdragon

        It’s like when a Columbia-degreed journalist refers to a blogger as “some guy in his pajamas.”

        ————–

        “Not me though, I’m a journalist! In his pajamas…”

      • (((Jarflax

        Journalists wear onesies

      • Gdragon

        Jarflax doing all of the hard work to get the scoop…

      • (((Jarflax

        There isn’t enough viagra in all the world to get me hard with most journalists

    • Ted S.

      Someone who shoots a series of tubes?

    • Nephilium

      Top of their leaderboard in Counter Strike.

      • (((Jarflax

        Top of their leaderboard in Counter Strike.

        There’s a pretty good overlap between combat vets and FPS players.

      • Ownbestenemy

        With or without wall hacks though…

      • Nephilium

        (((Jarflax:

        There was also the FPS built by the military as a recruitment tool.

      • UnCivilServant

        The only interesting thing about that game is that if you shoot the drill sergeant on the shooting range training you get teleported to a cell in Levanworth and left there until you shut the program down.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Hey AA was fun!

      • UnCivilServant

        No it wasn’t. It was mediocre.

      • Ted S.

        AA is no fun since you’re not supposed to drink.

    • SDF-7

      Someone who just pings at the target, I assume.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Accounting for latency and stiching?

    • Gdragon

      I think that an internet shooter is someone who takes screenshots…

      (Yes, I borrowed/adapted that one from Inspectah Deck)

    • Threedoor

      Same kind of person that Calls people civilians when differentiating g between cops and normal people

    • Muzzled Woodchipper

      I don’t think it was a trained shooter either.

    • SDF-7

      I really shouldn’t believe anything any self-serving politician (but I repeat myself) says… but to be clear — I absolutely don’t believe anything that self-serving idiot says. Especially not to try desperately to stay relevant sell books.

    • cyto

      Hilarious.

      I still suspect the biggest hoax perpetrated on America is the number of votes she received. She didnt even break 1% in the DNC primary, and proceeded to be even worse in her role as Veep, becoming a meme for her cackling and nonsensical statements and bad acting skills. Yet we are supposed to believe that she got intense support that brought in over a billion in “small donations” in a few days and surged into the lead in the polls???

      Id really like to know the truth behind all that. And the truth behind the vote totals. I get that most people vote the party line…. but dang.

      • The Last American Hero

        Are you saying she wasn’t Brat? Dude she was so brat, I was surprised the vote totals were so low.

      • Gustave Lytton

        She dropped out months before the first primary vote.

        Unlike Biden who only received 75% of the delegate votes, she was unanimously nominated as VP. Totally popular.

    • Brochettaward

      Link doesn’t work.

      • Nephilium

        Fuck.

        I hope that’s not accurate. If it is, shit’s going sideways.

      • UnCivilServant

        I have my doubts.

        I need more evidence before I’ll buy that claim.

      • WTF

        Interesting, don’t know if any of it is real yet.

      • cyto

        From Crowder

        EXCLUSIVE: This morning my team received an e-mail from officer at ATF.

        The email included a screen shot from what appears to be an internal message describing a weapon and cartridges located by an ATF and other law enforcement near the scene of the Charlie Kirk shooting at Utah Valley State University.

        “On September 10, 2025, at approximately 12:24PM, Conservative political influencer Charlie Kirk was shot and killed at the Utah Valley University in Orem, UT. Mr. Kirk was speaking at the University as part of the American Comeback Tour. Multiple SLC I and III agents responded immediately. The suspect fired one shot from an elevated position on a rooftop in an adjacent building on the campus and surveillance video shows the suspect, jumping off and fleeing the area on foot. ATF and other law-enforcement located an older model imported Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus. The location of the firearm appears to match the suspects route of travel. The spent cartridge was still chambered in addition to three unspent rounds at the top fed magazine. All cartridges have engraved wording on them, expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology. An emergency trace has been submitted an ATF SLC is working leads generated by the trace. The firearm and ammunition have been taken by the FBI for DNA analysis and fingerprint impressions. Upon completion of forensics, the firearm will be disassembled for additional importer information. Multiple people of interest having contacted or detained because of eyewitness testimony and review of video footage. The primary suspect is yet to be identified. ATF is assisting the investigation with multiple other federal, state, and local partners and the case is co-led by the FBI and Utah SBI.””

      • (((Jarflax

        Shit is already sideways. At least two serious attempts to take out the frontrunner in the last Presidential election, and now a significant portion of the left is cheering the assassination of a completely nonviolent political figure while he was actively debating.

      • robodruid

        assuming true, why wouldn’t an assassin troll the investigation?

      • Threedoor

        My wife speculated last night it was a tranny.

    • SDF-7

      24/48 hour rule definitely still in effect, so large grain of salt… but if so — copycat or “ally” to the Catholic school shooter. Yay.

      It would fit — which is why I’m resisting believing it based on one screen cap. Not that it would really change my position on that issue, frankly.

      • cyto

        It will be interesting to see if this shooter and his motivation is quickly memory holed of this turns out to be true

      • Common Tater

        Isn’t obviously a lefty? Still could be a stooge for our IC or another country.

      • Threedoor

        Sdf, right?

      • WTF

        It does seem a bit too perfect, doesn’t it?

      • cyto

        I admit my immediate reaction was that the shooter was trans.

        In fact, when my wife came in to tell me they caught the guy, I said, “let me guess… trans?”

        I was pretty stunned at the old white guy they caught. I even messaged a couple of friends saying that “60-something clean cut white dude doesnt really fit the profile” of a political assasin. Pedo serial killer, maybe…. but not radical political assasin.

      • Ted S.

        Wasn’t the sexagenarian released?

      • Not Adahn

        Nah, I can totally believe old white guy. Too many instances of them picking fights so they’d have an excuse to shoot someone. Which maps (to me) that the urge for righteous violence is universal.

      • Nephilium

        Ted S.:

        Based on the last updates I’ve read, both of the two suspects that were initially detained have been released with the shooter still at large.

      • Ted S.

        And look at the old white farts leading the No Kings protests,

      • The Other Kevin

        “Too on the nose” is a tell that it’s probably false, according to Scott Adams. That’s been very good advice these past years.

      • Suthenboy

        Misdirection?
        This case is starting to smell pretty badly.
        Who was the person that asked about gun violence? The two that were arrested…arrested why? What drew the cops attention to those two people?
        This mauser…sporterized? Scope?
        I can write out a list of about 50 questions that I bet we never get answers to.

      • Threedoor

        Tom Clancy did.

    • Not Adahn

      An imported Mauser? Couldn’t even get a Carcano?

    • Sean

      Not buying it.

      Nope.

      • Not Adahn

        Not buying what? The existence of casings, or that the casings were genuine, or that the casings were created by someone who sincerely believed what they were writing?

      • Sean

        Any of it.

        *shrug*

      • Suthenboy

        I think what Sean is alluding to is that all of this is starting to look like a narrative has been created, then evidence left to support the narrative. The narrative, we have seen this before, is calculated to lead nowhere. Another 50 years of conspiracy theories?

        I am certainly not buying that some rando just happeed to ask about gun violence two seconds before he was decapitated by a bullet.

      • Not Adahn

        I am certainly not buying that some rando just happeed to ask about gun violence two seconds before he was decapitated by a bullet.

        Not to summon the Bayesians, but if you were to list the topics that a leftie college kid, full of self-confidence and self-righteousness would try to use as a “gotcha” on Kirk/Crowder/literally anyone… why wouldn’t “gun violence” be on your list? You might as well be suspicious that he was shot while sitting down.

      • Sean

        Thank you Suthen. Exactly that.

      • Suthenboy

        Sometimes a coincidence is a little too coincidental.

        Yes, I have seen the video of the woman playfully pretending to be Zeus whil;e pointing her finger to the sky as if to summon lightning….just as lightning strikes right at the tip of her finger from the camera’s angle of view. I saw that.
        I also noticed that the sound of the thunder and the lightning bolt are exactly simultaneous.

  17. Common Tater

    “With that, the tech mogul says his latest venture, the World project, can eliminate ever-more sophisticated and human-like bots from the internet.

    The rapid rise of AI has meant it’s become increasingly hard to tell if articles, comments on message boards, the people you’re playing against in online games or even chatting to are real.

    The world project wants to change that by giving everyone a unique ID, which, when applied online, would confirm they are the person they say they are.”

    https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/high-tech-heat-sensing-cameras-scan-irises-and-delineate-humans-from-robots/

    No.

      • Ownbestenemy

        But its for the children

      • UnCivilServant

        No, it screws over the children. Burn the ‘mogul’ at the stake.

    • SDF-7

      Of course I’m real! How insult — syntax error on line 87, respawning chat_d thread…

      (Sarc off… “Go fuck yourself, world project.” Anonymous speech serves an important purpose in political debate, as the PPP years at the minimum reinforced here in the US. I don’t give a rat’s ass what reasoning you have to try to get rid of it — removing it is the wet dream of all totalitarians.)

    • Gdragon

      That one is a “No fucking way” with a side of “Go fuck yourself”

    • R.J.

      That’s the most retarded thing I read today.

      • SDF-7

        Dammit, RJ… give me time!

      • R.J.

        Granted. The day is still young.

      • juris imprudent

        I’ll be bold – it will still be the most retarded thing you read at the end of today.

        But of course, tomorrow is another day.

    • Threedoor

      Social Media will glom onto this, FB already has.

      Is there an actual free speech social media platform?

      It sure as fuck isn’t X.

  18. Sensei

    South Korea responded that the Korean citizens detained were exhausted and it was better for them to return home first and then come back to the U.S. to work if they wish—a position that the U.S. respected, the official said.

    Sure. They’ve been here long term and likely have clothes and things they want wherever they were living. But they just want to go back to SK so they can relax with the family and after
    that return to the US to go back to work.

    U.S. Frees Hundreds of South Koreans Without Handcuffs After Immigration Raid
    https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/south-koreans-are-freed-in-georgia-after-hyundai-immigration-raid-6da45736?st=kVvqu7&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    The image of the handcuffs were a big sticking point for SK.

    • UnCivilServant

      Look, as long as they are going back to Korea, that’s the more important part. The bracelets are only needed for people who are going to give us trouble.

      Mark it as a deportation which forbids re-entry into the US.

    • Gustave Lytton

      So what was the details? Wrong visa/entry type or overstay?

  19. Sensei

    If my potential EV purchase doesn’t have a sound created by a noted composer I’m not buying.

    Inside the Effort to Make EVs Roar Like Real Sports Cars

    https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/ev-sports-cars-sound-mercedes-porsche-ferrari-bmw-24cb5774?st=U5ZzS9&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    Bonus:

    Engine sound actually doesn’t help with the regulations, which mandate specific frequencies. Despite the ear-shattering noise the Daytona Charger EV makes, it has an additional speaker at the front to satisfy the rules.

    • (((Jarflax

      I have a suggestion! Take out the batteries and put in a big block V8!

      • SDF-7

        “That’s what she said!”

      • DrOtto

        Large displacement small block for the handling win!

  20. Mookman

    Longtime lurker who reads most everything and doesn’t comment much, but I’ve shared this here before because I know if anyone on the internet appreciates it it’s you lot. Feel compelled to share again in light of the hopelessness yesterday wrought and today’s anniversary. I always take a few minutes to remember at least a few of the good folks we lost years ago.

    Joe Coppo was a dad and an active and respected citizen in the NYC suburb where I grew up. He coached baseball every year and most everyone wanted to be on his team; not only were his teams always good which appealed to the kids, he had a reputation amongst parents for working well with the kids who weren’t the best players and being legitimately thrilled when one of them got a hit or made a play. I was never on his teams but knew him and his sons through baseball. He was murdered at work for Cantor Fitzgerald, the firm in the upper floors of the first tower to be hit that was all but wiped out.

    Tim Stackpole was FDNY and was childhood friends with my father. In 1998 he was fighting a massive fire when the roof of the building collapsed, killing two other firefighters. He was in the hospital and rehab for most of the next three years. After he was released, he returned to FDNY in March 2001 and was promoted to Captain less than a week before 9/11. After miraculously surviving the 1998 fire, he was murdered when the towers collapsed.

    Finally, Steve Siller was FDNY from the same Brooklyn neighborhood that my father’s family grew up in. On the morning of 9/11 he had finished his shift and was on his way home when he heard what was going down, at which point he turned his car around to go help. By then the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel had been closed to traffic, so he put on all his gear and ran nearly 3 miles through the tunnel to the WTC. He too was murdered when the towers collapsed. Every year, there’s a great 5K in NYC that’s organized by his parents. People and firefighters come from all over the world to retrace his steps through the tunnel to the new WTC. I’ve run it a few times and my most vivid memory was overhearing a father tell his young son before the race “Don’t worry, there’s only good people here today.”

    We could go on forever about what we as a country did wrong afterwards, but to me that’s for another day. It’s important now more than ever to remember that many, many decent and brave people were murdered and their families are still suffering to this day. I wish like hell they were still with us, we could certainly use more of them. Rest in peace to all those we lost that day and all the love to their families.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Thanks for sharing that and grounding the day to what it should be.

    • Nephilium

      Welcome to the posting. Two thoughts that help me through these times:

      Do you not know that a man is not dead as long as his name is still spoken?

      –PTerry

      Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased—thus do we refute entropy.” Stated another way: “Just as there are Laws of Conservation of Matter and Energy, so there are in fact Laws of Conservation of Pain and Joy. Neither can ever be created or destroyed. But one can be converted into the other.

      –Spider Robinson

    • (((Jarflax

      Ave Tulpa!

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Good avatar. 👍

    • Suthenboy

      What gets lost in the cacophony of evil and idiocy we seem to be drowning in are just how many really good people we do have. They dont make so much noise but they do make the world a place worth fighting for.

  21. Common Tater

    “Bari Weiss is closing in on a top role at CBS News — a move that left-leaning staffers at the network fret could amount to “dropping a grenade” in the newsroom, sources told The Post.

    CBS News is weighing naming Weiss editor in chief or co-president of the network, sources told The Post, as the network’s new owner, David Ellison also weighs a broader deal to buy Bari Weiss’s scrappy news site, The Free Press, in a deal valued at upwards of $100 million.

    The deal could come in the form of cash and stock for Weiss, and could exceed $150 million depending on how long she stays at Paramount, according to The New York Times, which first reported news of Thursday.
    Bari Weiss speaking at a book club event.”

    https://nypost.com/2025/09/10/media/bari-weiss-closes-in-on-top-job-at-cbs-news-but-staff-fear-it-would-be-like-dropping-a-grenade/

    Besides the money, it sounds like a bad idea.

    • Not Adahn

      🎶You’d better wise up, Bari Weiss🎶

    • UnCivilServant

      Honest question – in what way?

      I know nothing about the parties or issues involved.

      • (((Jarflax

        The establishment media blob is buying up all the alternative media that grew up because the establishment became too obviously dishonest.

      • Trials and Trippelations

        My wife is a huge free press fan and not thrilled by this

      • cyto

        She is a pro Israel leftist who rejected woke at the NYT and started her own internet publication

    • The Other Kevin

      If she has some editorial power then I kind of like this.

    • Ed Wuncler

      I hope she has in her contract that she has the final say in editorial power because if not, she’s going to learn very fast that the establishment will once again screw her over.

    • juris imprudent

      dropping a grenade

      Insufficient firepower for really cleaning out the deadweight.

  22. The Other Kevin

    ““Sexually assaulted” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.”

    By that measure I’ve been sexually assaulted at concerts. Once a very drunk girl came up behind me and rubbed her boobs on me. Mrs. TOK thought it was hilarious. Another time, we were trying to make our way through a crowd so Mrs. TOK carried me. And someone pinched my butt. I was kind of flattered.

    We have really come a long way in the last few decades, and not in a good way.

    • Nephilium

      A local brewery was moving their production facility. On the last day of operation at the old location, they threw a party. The girlfriend and I went up to it, as we had frequently biked up (it was ~3.5 miles away) for trivia night. Part of the festivities was a poster for everyone to sign (it had their branding for the move GOODBYE [lat/long] HELLO [lat/long]). As I bent over to sign the poster, a woman 15-20 years my senior looked over, and commented, “I like what I see.” As she then did a double handed ass grab on me. Her (adult) children were mortified, and came over apologizing and saying that “Mom had a bit too much.”

      Meanwhile, the girlfriend was doubled over in laughter at the entire situation.

      • Brochettaward

        I think most guys have some story about drunk women doing things that would cause a woman to claim she was assaulted. I think about all those polls that show ridiculously high percentage of women claiming they suffered harassment of some kind or assault and that’s where my mind goes.

        Go to a bar/club and see how freely women touch/grab/grope when they want to.

      • The Other Kevin

        I think it is different for women when a guy touches them, because there’s usually a size/strength difference. But in the past, she’d just turn and slap the guy, or a male companion would step in.

      • Ted S.

        Said older woman obviously had poor taste. :-p

      • Not Adahn

        I think that women raised/socialized in a certain way have a much greater sense of entitlement than men when it comes to placing hands on someone else.

      • SDF-7

        Obligatory

        And Bro — glad you said “most”… because I’ve never been groped, fondled or otherwise harassed by strange women (or strange men). Probably because I was always uncomfortable at parties in my much younger days and just wanted to leave and never was a drinker (critical or otherwise).

      • Not Adahn

        I have never been groped by a strange woman that I had not been flirting with earlier. Alas.

        But there is a reason why (some) strippers absolutely hate giving dances to women.

  23. Suthenboy

    Stop talking and release the files unredacted. Let the chips fall where they may.

    Isnt Israel supplying Gaza with plenty of. food? What, exactly, are these ‘aid’ boats bringing? Let me guess….

    Destroying your own city seems like a dumb move. Maybe that’s just me.

    Mamdani might be worth the entertainment value and the object lesson to the people that vote for him.

    Technically, yeah, she was assaulted. I am guessing there are more problems there than some dude smacking her ass. Not exactly a life ruining event.

    The far left never stops being tiresome as hell, that’s for certain.

    Crockett was talking to the Dems about their gun control efforts, right?

    What are you complaining about? The Eurotards have to maintain their long, proud tradition of antisemitism.

    • Brochettaward

      Neither party wants those files released.
      1. He was likely an Israeli asset which will be a conversation our betters never want us to have.
      2. It would name too many people on both sides of the aisle.
      3. Trump likely is named in an embarrassing way. I don’t know exactly what that is, but he was far too close to Epstein.

      People keep incredulously suggesting that if Trump was involved, it would have been used by team Biden. No, it wouldn’t because it would be a double-edge sword for the left. And at the end of the day, the powers that be don’t want to have to answer serious questions on this. Not even to “get” Trump.

      • cyto

        I feel quite certain that if there was anything the left could have used to embarrass trump, they would have released it.

        My supposition is that just as in the previous transfer of power mid-level operatives at the FBI left poison pills in the Epstein file to subvert Trump. This is how they need to demand the release.

        The fact that Bondi went looking for the files and got nothing on her first two attempts tells me they have likely destroyed or hidden anything that would be damping to the power structure of the establishment.

        I’m pretty stunned at how they have reporter this to the public. They suddenly went timid. They didnt make any claims other than “there is lots of kiddie porn.”

        It feels off.

        Like the investigation into the Trump shooting. I expected a hard and deep dive by Patel et. al. to reveal what actually happened. Nothing.

        Nothing on so many fronts in the “rooting out the deep state” front.

        Musk went in and eliminated a huge weapon in USAID, but since then, nothing.

        Makes you wonder if the wheels are turning, or the levers of power held by the deep state are strong enough to stop them in their tracks.

      • Ted S.

        Only a double-edged sword for people who are no longer politically useful.

      • R.J.

        Eliminating the deep state and returning to a magic era of happiness and rainbows will never happen. The deep state, individually and collectively, will fight forever. Maybe in a decade we will see real change. Trump got fought to a standstill in his first year. He might get a little farther. Not much.

      • Gustave Lytton

        +JFK files unreleased for 60 years

    • WTF

      Mamdani might be worth the entertainment value and the object lesson to the people that vote for him.

      It will not be an object lesson, they are incapable of drawing the connection between the policies they vote for and the results of those policies. When the policies cause failure and misery, the fault will lie with Trump and the Republicans. Kulaks and wreckers, all.

      • Sensei

        +1

        Everything bad in CA is the result of the small Republican minority in the state.

    • juris imprudent

      Stop talking and release the files unredacted.

      What do you think would change even if they did?

      • Suthenboy

        I wouldnt have to hear about it anymore.

  24. The Other Kevin

    Like most of you, this Charlie Kirk thing is hitting me hard. Probably because he was all over my X feed, interviewing people or being on other shows. But this feels big, like the start of something that won’t go well.

    On top of this, I just started a week of the wife being out of town. So I’m covering her classes at the gym M-W-F before and after work, and I’m home alone with Oldest Kid who is somehow only working 3 days a week now. She’s like a dark cloud over the house.

    So I’m working on my mental health, getting my workouts in, taking a bath at night and getting to bed by 8:30. Mental survival mode. I hope I have the fortitude to limit social media this week. I hope you are all taking care of yourself as well. There is a lot of darkness out there.

    • (((Jarflax

      I’ve been trying to analyze why this particular bit of awfulness is hitting me as hard as it is, and I think a big factor is the juxtaposition with the video being released from Charlotte. Watching the veneer of safety and normalcy shatter into horror in a split second brings home a truth we all try to ignore. Safety is an illusion; evil can strike any of us down in a split second, with no warning, and there are significant portions of the population actively eroding the cultural elements that limit that risk.

      • Nephilium

        To me, this feel a lot more like an escalation than the Trump assassination attempts. I’m not looking forward to the next shoe dropping.

      • The Other Kevin

        Contrast those two events to 9/11. When that happened, for a while, we were all unified in our horror. For Charlotte, we have people excusing the killer because he’s just a person who needs help. And now there are people actively cheering the death of Charlie Kirk. That sits in your stomach. You know something is wrong.

      • (((Jarflax

        TOK, that is a big part of what I mean by people actively eroding the cultural elements that limit this stuff.

        Neph, I think you are right that it is escalating, but I think it has already reached the point of no return. At this point it is clear that we have an active civil war going on from the left. The only question is whether it will remain leftist radicals v society, or if we add in paramilitary action from the right.

      • trshmnstr

        That sits in your stomach. You know something is wrong.

        They shot the olive branch and are teabagging the corpse. The general sense I’m getting from the right is “the time for diplomacy and debate is over.” Whether that’s all talk or whether action comes next…. we will see.

        For me, it 100% vindicates our choice to move to a deep red rural area. We felt like we were swimming upstream in an increasingly blue culture living in the suburbs of big cities. Now we see just how far our Christian faith and our conservative beliefs push us out of the Overton window in those areas. We were swimming upstream because we were living among bloodthirsty pagans.

        We want to raise our children in faith and live a quiet simple life. Being surrounded by people who salivate at the thought of people like us being killed isn’t something we would ever willingly choose. This country needs a cleansing, but a 37 year old desk jockey with two small daughters isn’t the one to do it. I’ll be here as a living example of the alternative, a taste of what once was and what could be once again.

        RIP Charlie Kirk. May your legacy be one that draws people to sanity and faith and puts the ghouls to shame.

      • tarran

        The combination of those two images will very heavily influence the progression of our culture over the next few years. The image of the blood spurting out of the victims’ necks has a symbolic power no amount of journalisming can tamp down. In one case you have an innocent victim whom society should protect staring in horror at her murderer whom the powers that be had not only failed to curb, but had encouraged his lawless behavior. In the other case, you have someone who courageously tried to improve society by doing the things the right way, by persuasion, by peaceful discourse, who was portrayed as a violent rabble-rouser by these same powers that be. They, like all oppressors, claim to be victims of those whom they victimize. They claim that their aggression is in fact defensive in nature and forced upon them by the beastliness of their victims. It’s a lie that isn’t sustainable in the case of these two murders.

        My son and I have been debating what path the future will take. He is pessimistic. He sees violent civil war. He fears that someone on the right will start murdering prominent leftness an the U.S. will spiral into ever escalating sectarian violence.

        I’m optimistic. My wife, who calls herself a progressive democrat (albeit on who stepped away from politics in 2006 after realizing the progressive messaging was imperiling her mental health), is horrified by both murders. She isn’t saying “but”, or “while I condemn his stance on x” or any other condemnations of Kirk. She is appalled… period.

        If Harris were president, these two events would be far more likely to plunge us into civil war. With Trump in command of the fed government, with him not only having the bully pulpit to keep it in the news, but access to DOJ resources to investigate and prosecute the federal crimes associated with these events, the root causes of these murders are going to be published in ways that reach the normies.

        This will have two salubrious effects: 1) the right will see the evildoers hunted and prosecuted by the government … very much lessening the impulse towards retributive violence; 2) decent people who are on the left will be exposed to the evidence that makes the evil of the progressive movement more undeniable.

        I consider my wife a tell-tale that indicates where normie women will break, and she wants the madness to stop. She hates the transgender political movement. She is fed up with DA’s who let violent offenders back out on the streets and excuse their crimes. She grew up in the projects and witnessed a lot of criminal activity. She was able to avoid the sexual predators who preyed on children in her neighborhood through luck, street smarts, and a vicious right hook.

        If only 15% of people like her walk into a voting booth and secretly pull the ‘R’ lever, the democratic party is cooked. The toxically inclusive crowd have alienated too many people to retain the political dominance they gained with the election of Obama.

      • (((Jarflax

        I pray you are right tarran.

      • The Other Kevin

        tarran, I do agree that Trump being in office changes things. I had that thought this morning, and I actually said a prayer of thanks. I think the right trusts the Trump admin enough to handle this, at least for now.

      • EvilSheldon

        To me, this feel a lot more like an escalation than the Trump assassination attempts. I’m not looking forward to the next shoe dropping.

        I’ll just come out and say it – because of the power and privileges that their position entails, politicians are legitimate targets for political violence. Assassinating a politician is not very far removed from killing an enemy commander in a war.

        Charlie Kirk wasn’t a politician – he was an entertainer. He had no political power. Murdering him was more tantamount to a terrorist attack on noncombatants – the closest analogy off the top of my head would be the islamist attack on the Charlie Hebdo offices. Charlie Kirk was killed in order to silence him, and also to intimidate his fans and followers.

        I think that’s why it feels different.

      • juris imprudent

        the political dominance they gained with the election of Obama

        The shortest (and most oversold) era in American politics.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Not entirely unified. “Little Eichmans” getting what they deserved.

    • Ed Wuncler

      I wrote this in a dead thread yesterday, but I didn’t watch a lot of his stuff. I did notice though that wasn’t a huge asshole about his beliefs and tried to talk to his opponents with some humanity. I remember watching some podcast show where he was on a panel with some OnlyFans sex workers and he said outright that he doesn’t agree with the way they were living their lives, but they are still worthy of love and not horrible people.

      The women on there were shocked that he showed them such grace when other guests would have demeaned them and called them whatever name came to their minds. That’s what we lost. In an internet age where people feel as though they can be assholes and demeaning, Kirk took the higher road and saw his opponents as human beings first and ideological opponents second.

      • (((Jarflax

        I pray that Jordan Peterson has good security.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Mrs OBE, not a politcal creature, even was impacted. I have never had her come home and discuss something like she did yesterday about it.

      So ya, its hitting outside of circles that normally dont feel affected.

      • Nephilium

        The girlfriend was a fan of Kirk’s.

        She is not taking it well.

    • Threedoor

      Locally his show had been largely filling in for the Dennis Prager show since his shower accident.

      Sports ball interrupted it last night when I actually wanted to hear it.

  25. Trials and Trippelations

    I think/ wonder if the Kirk assassination will change how some right wing personalities operate. I assume pundits with massive audiences like tucker Carlson have security already, but mid level types like Ally Beth Stuckey do not. Apparently her recent X posts suggest she is probably thinking heavily about her safety and the ire her criticisms draws

    Older news, but similar Eric July (libertarian nerd and comic book creator) used to monetize off his crazy detractors until a crazy did massive research to figure where July’s warehouse is and came (I believe) armed. After that incident July said he was done tweaking the weirdos the safety concern was too real

    • The Other Kevin

      Last night Tim Pool announced he is canceling his outdoor events. One of his guests thought that might be giving in to terrorists. But he disagreed. He’s still doing all his normal programming, he’s just not doing those few outdoor appearances anymore. I think you’re going to see a lot of that.

      • Threedoor

        That’s the point TOK

    • Threedoor

      Security is huge money.
      Most can’t afford it, it will have a chilling impact as the minor talkers can’t afford it and will curtail their speaking.

  26. cyto

    On the Crowder ATF message, friend of mine confirmed it with the ATF. It is accurate.

    • cyto

      That paragraph was from the Denver Field Office internal notification system. Utah falls under the Denver office.

      • R.J.

        Probably not a plant. Guy in a wig pulling the trigger makes sense to me.

      • Nephilium

        Seeing reports that it was confirmed in a press conference as well.

        Looks like there will be anti-trans violence now.

  27. Common Tater

    “Kris Herzog, owner of The Bodyguard Group of Beverly Hills – a firm that has worked with numerous celebrities and high-profile clients – spoke with the Turning Point USA founder during a rally at California State University on March 6.

    He claimed he had warned the MAGA leader that he would ‘100 percent be killed at one of his upcoming university speaking events’ unless he took drastic precautions.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15087045/Beverly-Hills-security-expert-kris-herzog-warned-Charlie-Kirk-months-ago-killed-future-event.html

    Probably bullshit, but that’s the roundest head I’ve ever seen.

    • Sensei

      Obviously no conflicts with that particular opinion.

    • WTF

      Yeah, I’m sure he didn’t tell Kirk that just to drum up business.

    • Threedoor

      Easy prediction to make.
      All the talking heads are at risk now that it’s an option that’s been opened up, by the Trump attempts and the healthcare CEO shooting.

    • UnCivilServant

      The Congo is where the Ebola is located.

      Plus, whoever at the daily fail added the “pandemic” word to that URL needs to be fired. This isn’t even Epidemic level.

      • juris imprudent

        Give the NGOs a chance to get a bunch of Congolese migrated as refugees.

      • UnCivilServant

        The Congolese are up there with Islamists and Communists as being unsuitable for living in a western country.

  28. Common Tater

    “A divisive South Park episode mocking Charlie Kirk and other MAGA firebrands was pulled from cable after the conservative influencer was assassinated at a Utah Valley University rally.

    Comedy Central has taken down an episode of the adult cartoon titled Got a Nut amid the backlash following Kirk’s untimely death on Wednesday afternoon.

    Season 27, episode two of the popular series sparked an instantaneous uproar when it aired in early August.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15087031/Comedy-Central-south-park-Charlie-Kirk.html

    • cyto

      Notably, Charlie Kirk posted clips and laughed about it. He said it was hilarious, especially the microphone thing. He even said they got his arguments mostly right.

      Wild that they felt the need to take it down. Nobody on the right was clamoring for their heads. Mostly they pointed out that the way the right responds to jokes is wildly divergent from how the left treats jokes at their expense.

      • Raven Nation

        “Kirk’s untimely death”

        There’s a reason it’s referred to as the Daily Fail.

    • rhywun

      Aside from the stupid meme that Trump is installing Jesus in schools – which has zero connection to any sort of reality – the biggest sin in the current season is that it isn’t remotely funny.

      • cyto

        Yeah, this is an odd year for animation. All of my favorites are back…. and I’m not laughing much.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Something they rarely ever did was recycle jokes and that is all this season is.

      • Gdragon

        I’m wondering if Adult Swim will ever give the Aqua Teens another round. I did like the 5 episode season in 2023.

      • Ownbestenemy

        Aqua Teen Hunger Force: The Dawn of the Hat and Hair?

      • rhywun

        I never cared for ATHF but I’d give anything a shot now that Trey and Matt have lost their way.

      • juris imprudent

        Every comic talent burns out. What is amazing is how they lasted as long as they did.

  29. Sensei

    It’s “only” 30. What’s the problem?

    Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said at a Senate hearing on Thursday that children receive up to 92 vaccine doses in early childhood “in order to be fully compliant between maternity and 18 years.”

    But doctors tell ABC News that that number isn’t accurate. Excluding annual flu and COVID-19 shots, children generally receive roughly 30 vaccine doses – many in combined injections – before the age of 18

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/rfk-jr-us-children-receive-92-vaccine-doses/story?id=125401242

    • trshmnstr

      I counted 38 suggested doses (a few were optional based on health, and I excluded Covid) by age 6. Methinks 30 is a bit low.

      • trshmnstr

        Using the official CDC schedule, btw.

      • Ownbestenemy

        The recommended vaccine schedule is insane

      • trshmnstr

        +20 doses from age 7 to 18.

        A couple of those are contingent as well.

        Annual COVID-19 would be +17

        58-75 doses without having some specific condition requiring a specialized vax, and I didn’t bother separating the multi-vax shots.

      • Sensei

        With MSM you expect is exactly this.

        I’m sure Kennedy tried to find the highest amount possible. While here the 30 is unclear on if it includes a multi-vaccine does, DPT instead of straight Tetanus for example.

        So a “real” answer of 40 to 60 seems completely reasonable as the answer while also insane in reality.

  30. The Other Kevin

    Hey look, I know what this is!

    Video Shows US Aircraft Launching Jet Fighters Near Iran
    https://www.newsweek.com/video-shows-us-aircraft-carrier-launching-jet-fighters-near-iran-2128092

    The tail on that plane has the Cougars insignia. That’s the E/A-18G Growlers squadron assigned to the Nimitz. Growlers are specially outfitted for electronic warfare: radar jamming. intercepting signals, etc. Makes perfect sense they are operating near Iran.

    • UnCivilServant

      Video Shows US Aircraft Launching Jet Fighters Near Iran

      This typo let me to envision aircraft launching aircraft.

      • SDF-7
    • Rat on a train

      I loved jamming (also intrusion and interference, never did meaconing) when permitted. We could end an exercise in 15 minutes with the chaos we created.

      • The Other Kevin

        Were you a pilot? I’m fascinated by this. Word is the Nimitz participated in the attack on Iran in some way. My guess is they sent Growlers to disable radar and comms before the bombers got there.

        This is also, by the way, one of the layers of defense against drones.

      • Rat on a train

        No. I was Army intel. We mostly did voice intercept and some intrusion. We required permission to do jamming or interference. There was much rejoicing when we received jamming orders. Those were normally revoked quickly because we caused so much chaos that the exercise went off track. Most people aren’t properly trained to handle MIJI.

  31. Certified Public Asshat

    Bluesky Issues Warning to Any Users Celebrating Charlie Kirk Assassination

    Bluesky has issued a warning to users after some accounts celebrated the assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk.

    “Glorifying violence or harm violates Bluesky’s Community Guidelines. We review reports and take action on content that celebrates harm against anyone. Violence has no place in healthy public discourse, and we’re committed to fostering healthy, open conversations,” the social media platform wrote in a post.

    Sure.

    • R.J.

      That’s like Groucho Marx telling Harpo to knock it off.

    • Ownbestenemy

      Statements were made…dont ban them, just them in a hole so they can eventually eat themselves

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Great, zscaler thinks your link is porn.

      • SDF-7

        Let me guess — URL keyword scanner?

      • Sensei

        No, the whole domain.

  32. kinnath

    24 years ago I sat in my living watching the TV and saw the second tower go down. I knew in that moment that the world had changed and that I wasn’t going to like the new world.

    Yesterday, another tragedy happened on a much smaller scale, but again I knew that the world had changed and that I wasn’t going to like the new world.

    It’s hard to focus on work today.

  33. Common Tater

    “Bluesky is reacting exactly like you would have expected”

    • cyto

      I reacted on X. I actually reported a bunch of posts, something I have never done before. There was some pretty heinous stuff out there.

      • robodruid

        I reported a bunch of FB. No answers yet.

      • Urthona

        I’m more “annoyed” than anything.

        A lot of arguments are “this guy said some level of violence was acceptable for gun ownership- and therefore he had this coming”.

        Probably 100 million Americans actually think that.

      • SDF-7

        Someone at work posted that on company Slack just after the shooting.

        I contemplated a reply that was SFW but conveyed my disgust all night — by this morning someone had commented that being perceived (rightly or not) as advocating for political assassinations on company servers was not a wise move… and they’d deleted said post “So people can’t bring their own baggage to this comment”.

        I’ll take it… even if that really reads like “It is your problem, not mine!” to me. But I’m trying to be nice, especially at work.

      • WTF

        He said we had to accept that there would be some gun deaths to maintain our second amendment rights. Basically the same as saying we must accept some highway deaths in order to have automobiles for transportation. In other words, the good far outweighs the bad.
        But leave it to the left to twist it into Charlie advocating in favor of people being shot.

      • Ted S.

        SDF: I mentioned British blogger David Thompson above. Your comment makes me think of his post “The Blurting”, where he discusses how time and again it’s the left that make politically charged comments like the Slack thing and naturally expect to go unchallenged.

        https://thompsonblog.co.uk/2019/09/the-blurting.html

      • Ted S.

        It’s something I see on pretty much every ostensibly non-political forum I’m a part of. Thankfully I haven’t seen it yet regarding Charlie Kirk outside of the social media sites.

      • Threedoor

        Robo, if anything FB will ban you.

  34. robodruid

    Seen on FB.
    “They hate you, start training like they mean it”

    • cyto

      I saw a bunch of vile stuff on the left, but only one on the right. I copied it to text to my friends to discuss.


      Charlie Kirk

      What haven’t we taken out any democrats yet?

      They take one we take one. That’s how war works.

      @RepSwalwell is still walking around. Why? Let’s get this started already!!!

      The discussion that ensued was about how the plan to create a divided society and provoke violence on the right is working. Maybe slowly, but it is working.

      • Urthona

        Even if this weren’t evil, is there a smart left wing influencer getting through to young kids? Nope. Not a one.

        Swalwell is a loser who makes democrats look dumb.

      • UnCivilServant

        You don’t waste time on the puppets, hit the heirs to the aging puppet masters. Make sure the effort ends when the current crop ages out by leaving nobody to take up the roles requiring brains.

      • Common Tater

        There are tons of left wing influencers that have a young audience.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        Urthona, you are sadly mistaken.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Robo! How’s your parcel of red dirt?

      • robodruid

        I am still drowning in lawyers and lawsuits. We had a cayote issue and we ended up with 4 donkeys as guards.
        Wife still recovering from February.

        It’s my own marathon……
        Thank you

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        A Glib might be coming your way soon and briefly. Not sure yet.

  35. Common Tater

    TW:TOS

    “The federal government owns about a third of America.

    Since we’re on a path to bankruptcy, it would be smart to sell some unused property.

    President Donald Trump’s Interior Secretary says it may be worth as much as $200 trillion. Selling just a fraction of it would reduce our enormous debt.”

    https://reason.com/2025/09/10/the-feds-own-half-the-western-u-s-and-it-cant-take-care-of-it/

    No idea how much it’s worth, but I’ve said the same thing.

    • Rat on a train

      People with property that borders federal land will not be happy.

      • SDF-7

        People often aren’t when the neighbors sell… they’ll get over it.

        Personally, I like the idea — though I’m not sure of the valuation of all of it. But it wouldn’t matter if we don’t cut spending such that at an absolute minimum the deficit is only the interest on the debt (so the sale would restore us to break-even).

      • UnCivilServant

        They have the option of bidding on the adjacent parcels.

      • Rat on a train

        When I buy property next to undeveloped land it must stay that way. It’s an unwritten contract.

    • (((Jarflax

      Leveling (selling assets to pay off debt) only works if you start by cutting spending to the point where you are in balance with income. Leveling without cutting spending just ends up with you back in debt, only with fewer assets.

      • cyto

        Good point

    • Unreconstructed

      If it were up to me, the federal government wouldn’t own anything outside of DC – it was given that land intentionally, and it was removed from the states that formerly owned it for a good reason.

    • Threedoor

      Sell it all.

      The government owned a full 2/3 of my state.

      It’s no wonder why property prices here have tripled as people free the west side.

    • UnCivilServant

      Bribery is treasson – Give her the Chair.

      • cyto

        Alternate take: Biden proved that bribery is completely fine. Nothing to see here.

      • UnCivilServant

        If anything he showed that the punishment for bribery is too soft and it needs to be prosecuted more.

    • Common Tater

      Woman and wife of a senator.

    • Rat on a train

      Marriage to Bob was punishment enough.

  36. The Late P Brooks

    The Man in the White Suit is on tubi.

    It may not have any giant mechanical space alligators, but it’s still pretty good.

  37. The Late P Brooks

    President Donald Trump’s Interior Secretary says it may be worth as much as $200 trillion. Selling just a fraction of it would reduce our enormous debt.

    “Hey look everybody, we’re rich! Free drinks for the house!”

  38. Common Tater

    “”We were able to track the movements of the shooter, starting at 11:52 a.m., the subject arrived on campus,” a state official said in a press conference. “We do have good video footage of this individual. We are not going to release that at this time.”

    “We are working through some technologies and some ways to identify this individual,” he added, asserting that they would release the video if they were unsuccessful in identifying the suspect.”

    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/investigators-obtain-video-suspect-charlie-kirk-assassination

    • SDF-7

      We’ll see if third time’s a charm, I suppose.

      • Semi-Spartan Dad

        I’m guessing Kirk had security with him for crowd control and to prevent assault. Very few people have counter-sniper security details.

        I can only imagine the chaos following the assassination and trying to figure out where the shot came from. The gut reaction isn’t a sniper, and they grabbed closer suspects. Who could have potentially been planted distractions. As soon as they realized it was a sniper, it was going to come down to combing video footage.

  39. Beau Knott

    I am moved to repost this (from a 2020 thread here). I take ‘you’ as emphatically singular. It’s probably the most inspirational/aspirational text I’ve read. It seems appropriate on the 24th anniversary of the twin towers and on the day after Charlie Kirk’s assassination.

    To quote Edgar Pangborn, from the short story “My Brother Leopold”:
    Yet there is a City of Light. I said to those who
    followed and heard me: There is a battle of
    Armageddon, where good and evil confront each
    other for a decision, not for all time but for the time
    that you know; and there is a City of Light on
    earth, built by your labor, not for all time but for
    the time that you know. Every day, every night the
    battle of Armageddon is to be fought, and won or
    lost; see that you find courage. Every night, every
    day something is given to the building of the City
    of Light or taken from it: see that your share is
    given, and with goodwill. The battle is within you;
    the city is for your kind, not for all time but for the
    time that you know.

  40. Sensei

    AP News
    Politicians who have experienced violence directly react to Charlie Kirk shooting
    28 minutes ago

    Story I won’t read as I already know how this is going to be spun. “React” in a headline or video is about a 95% “no click” rate for me regardless of the source. It’s a op 5 clickbait title for me.

    • rhywun

      “No click” is my immediate reaction when I see “AP News”.

  41. The Late P Brooks

    I presume the usual Democratic luminaries have flocked to the microphones to pour gasoline on the fire. Has Biden issued a statement, or Obama?

    • Sensei

      Obama has yesterday. Generic, but not offensive.

    • SDF-7

      Not a Dem — but Starmer found enough balls laying around Downing Street to post that “We must all be free to debate openly and freely without fear”.

      • juris imprudent

        “But say one word that offends a precious person on this island, and we’ll slam you into the hole”.

  42. Ed Wuncler

    Something I’ve noticed when someone on the Right is harmed or killed, the Left always say that the Right has to tone down their language and that they wouldn’t be a target if they weren’t so horrible. In their minds, the onus is on their opponents to change and stop speaking so freely in what they believe. The Left never ask their supporters to stop trying to harm those who has differing opinions because accountability isn’t their strongest suit and deep inside, they really don’t care think this kind of stuff is justified.

    It’s basically the, “It’s sad she got raped and we don’t condone it, but perhaps if she didn’t wear that short skirt and dressed so provocatively, she wouldn’t have gotten raped.”

    • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

      The left thinks it is morally right, and as it has had the bully pulpit for so long there was no one to tell them that they didn’t.

      And, as Sensei shows us, the pushback is a little different this time.

      But, one of the things that needs to realized is that the left and right are comprised of two different sorts of people, and how either group reacts to any given situation is going to be different. There is a reason the right hasn’t risen up in violence like the left has, but, rather, moves into groups such as the Tea Party, and works to elect people, such as Trump, who will, hopefully, effect change. And this was shown in the SCOTUS appointments that lead to the ending of Roe v. Wade.

  43. The Other Kevin

    As emotional as we are right now, this is a really good learning opportunity. Pay attention to what people are saying. Make a note of whose reporting is correct, and whose predictions turn out to be accurate. Put that information in your mental toolbox.

    • trshmnstr

      It’s also a great time to see the cards of some people who usually hold theirs close to their vest. I don’t make a habit of befriending ghouls, and right now a bunch of ghouls are taking their masks off.

      • The Other Kevin

        Oh that’s a good point. I have been on FB rarely for the past few months. I was staying off today. But maybe I SHOULD log in and take this opportunity to purge my friends list.

    • rhywun

      Can’t read it yet but “the Romance of Murder” is definitely a thing of the Left & that is why I believe we are not going to see retaliatory violence from the Right after Kirk’s assassination.

    • creech

      Yes, I’ve seen speculation that conservative speakers will have to sit behind bulletproof glass and have more security. Others may think twice about appearing on hostile campuses where 1,000 students have already signed a petition against your appearance. Each incident like this provides incremental “wins” for the attackers. Just like all the security theater and expenses that have been incurred since 9/11/01.

    • Threedoor

      As intended.

  44. The Late P Brooks

    Claws out

    “No one wants to hear your pity party,” said one former Biden White House official, who, like nearly all of the dozen former Biden and Harris aides and Democratic operatives interviewed, was granted anonymity to speak candidly about the person who led their party just a year ago.

    “Shut up, you traitorous bitch,” they explained.

  45. Not Adahn

    This may say more about my perception and/or media diet than reality, but:

    Does the media seem more… abashed? Timid? Than they did after the DJT attempts? Why would that be? A difference between an attempt and a completion? Being on their heels already over their coverage of the train stabbing? That they don’t think Kirk deserved it quite as much as OMB?

    • Common Tater

      Even Salon seems toned down, but it’s still early.

    • trshmnstr

      If it can happen to Charlie, it can happen to them. I’m guessing that’s what’s motivating them to tone it down.

      • Gdragon

        If it can happen to Charlie, it can happen to them. I’m guessing that’s what’s motivating them to tone it down.
        ————–

        Yep, I was waiting to see if anyone had already typed this. This one hits closer to home and they’re probably a bit scared (especially since I’m sure they’re all quite convinced of their own importance).

    • Sensei

      You made me check the bellwether NYT.

      – Officials Recover Rifle and Seek Gunman ‘of College Age’ in Charlie Kirk Killing

      – Kirk Assassination Raises Fear of Surging Political Violence

      – Where Kirk Stood on Key Political Issues

      – A Visual Timeline of the Shooting

      – Inside the Close Alliance Between Trump and Kirk

      – Conservative Christians Mourn Kirk as a Martyr

      David French
      If We Keep This Up, Charlie Kirk Will Not Be the Last to Die

      Ezra Klein
      Charlie Kirk Was Practicing Politics the Right Way

      Possibly yes. MSNBC actually firing Dowd instead of just apologizing surprised me.

  46. Threedoor

    The solution for Jasmine Crockett is to ban people from running for office that unironically use the ‘word’ y’all.

  47. The Late P Brooks

    Politicians who have experienced violence directly react to Charlie Kirk shooting

    Ooh, I can’t wait to hear what AOC has to contribute.

    • Threedoor

      We do LS swaps now.

  48. Mojeaux

    I’m very sad.

    So the left is doing its happy dance thing as per usual. No surprise there. Yawn.

    What bugs me is the rhetoric on the right. “Oh, it’s on!” “We’re declaring war!” “They’re gonna be sorry they messed with us!”

    No, They’re not. Y’all are going to keep pounding your drums and playing at Tough Gai™ and you will do nothing and continue to let Them run over anybody who says things They don’t like until we’re as useless as Britain. I saw some reference to “The Wrath of the Angry Saxon” by Rudyard Kipling, which sounds nice until you find out that’s not its title and it might or might not be applicable.

    Now, call me a fatalist all you want, but that’s born of watching this play out about every 5 years. Where’s the breaking point? There is no breaking point. The right is hamstrung to an extent that it’ll shake its fist at the sky and go back to doing what it was doing, ever more burdened year after year.

    Boomers* are busy spending their money and wielding power. GenX is tired and looking for work. Millennials are busy Karening. Half of the Zoomers are offended by your microaggressions and think words are violence. The other half is seething in impotent rage. Gen Alpha is barely weaned and won’t know any different or why they should be outraged.

    *NAC[ohorts]ALT

    But heaven help Them if the 4Chan incels decide to get off their asses.

    • trshmnstr

      If people couldn’t be arsed to do anything during Covid, I don’t think an assassination is going to spark anything. That said, the left is throwing sparks into a tinderbox. You never really know which one will take.

      If I had to guess, 75% likelihood of “and nothing else happened”, 20% chance of Trump doing some things that make us a bit uncomfortable, 5% chance of retributive violence at some level.

      • Mojeaux

        Re Covid: Exactly. There are two orgs that could have shut that down: the NFL and the LDS church. But noooooooooooooooooooooo they went along with it because … why? No idea.

        Cucks.

        I will say this: I’m very tempted to go buy a gun now. XY is out of the house so I don’t have to worry about him deciding to do something impulsive/stupid. A friend came over Monday night and we had a vent session*. She’s much more right/conservative than I am, which I’m happy about because she gives me a touchstone. Anyway, we realized we both like to fish and shoot, and there’s another woman in my region who would join in happily. To what end? I don’t know.

        Charlie Kirk was much more courageous than I ever have been or ever will be, and, as I told XY, he died for what he believed in, which was free speech.

      • UnCivilServant

        I’m not sure what you say during the lockdowns, but I definately saw people ignoring the mandates, and shifting away from the petty tyrants who tried to enforce them. It wasn’t a blam blam blam kind of resistance, just more “you’re not the boss of me” without vocalizing the sentiment.

      • EvilSheldon

        I might have said this yesterday – pulling the trigger on another human being outside of immediate self-defense is not easy. It takes either heavy cult-like indoctrination over a fairly long period, or else a severe personality disorder.

      • trshmnstr

        I lived in the DC suburbs during the initial lockdowns and the Dallas suburbs during the Biden oppression. I saw occasional acts of resistance. I saw a bunch more people standing in the middle of empty parks double masked. I waited at line at Walgreens to get a Covid nose swab every time I had to go into the office for months. The idea of mass public apathy sounds great, but I saw nothing of it until 2022. I still see masks on rare occasion out here in the middle of nowhere, albeit more as a fashion accessory for the blue hairs.

      • Brochettaward

        I live in a red part of Florida, and even here there were a lot of “conservatives” who went along with corona bullshit out of fear of the plague.

        Plenty of people didn’t give a shit and just didn’t bother, but most of us played along to include myself to keep their jobs and such. Not wearing a mask wasn’t an option for me if I wanted to stay employed.

      • Threedoor

        Walmart could have shut down Covid.

        And done a one two punch by ignoring plastic bag bans.

        But corporate America is nothing but cowardice.

      • Threedoor

        ES, a sniped army buddy of mine said the first couple were hard as hell.

        After that he said they were a challenge of the shot and part of the job.

    • Nephilium

      I have a feeling that there will be fights and attacks over the weekend. I would not be surprised if some transgender people get attacked as well.

      Instead of the normal middle aged right wingers, this radicalized the young male right wing. They watched an idol get assassinated and saw people celebrate it. Get the right psychopath in front of them, and we’re going down a very dark place.

      • Brochettaward

        That isn’t the typical reaction to leftist douchebaggery from the right.

      • kinnath

        Sad to say, but I enjoyed seeing someone get beaten for being an asshole.

      • Common Tater

        ” I would not be surprised if some transgender people get attacked as well.”

        That would be sad. This has nothing to do with them.

      • Brochettaward

        I feel completely out of touch because I really didn’t expect the death of Charlie Kirk to become this rallying cry for the right.

        I don’t know if anything really comes of this, but yea it’s like a mini-9/11 for those who lean right. Something is different now. That asshole probably could have gotten away with doing what he did a few days ago in some other right wing protest.

      • Nephilium

        Common Tater:

        I am not condoning or celebrating, merely predicting. After the TN, MN, and now the Kirk shooter all either trans or with pro-trans messaging, it won’t matter to angry youths.

      • Common Tater

        Pro trans messaging is standard leftist stuff, just like pro Palestinian messaging, it doesn’t mean any Palestinians had anything to do with it.

      • rhywun

        No it isn’t. This time does seem “different”.

      • rhywun

        Ugh – need more levels

        I was replying to “That isn’t the typical reaction to leftist douchebaggery”

      • Threedoor

        Sean, Boise needs some cleansing.

    • creech

      The 1960s looked like violence was going to get out of hand. And it did for a while, with assassinations, bombings, murder of freedom riders, etc. But people came to their senses and it stopped short of Traitor Jane Fonda and other prominent left wing (and right wing) influencers getting whacked. The pendulum will swing back toward the center and both Parties will freeze out the more extreme voices.
      At least I hope so.

  49. The Late P Brooks

    Fortunately, no one as ripped out the lovely six and stuffed a small block shitty into it.

    I always wanted one. Needs a five speed, though.

  50. Ozymandias

    How… I don’t even know what the word is… “bizarre” to see Charlie Kirk killed day before 9/11 anniversary?

    1. Looks to me like the guy in the white hat next to Charlie is signalling the shooter – uses his phone’s glare – right after he gives the steal sign – to turn it toward the shooter just an instant before the shot. It’s the perfect signalling device for distance – it’s what every pilot learns in training/SERE/etc. and why a mirror is in every US Mil pilot’s E&E kit. The best visual signalling device for picking up a stationary object at distance. I would be talking to THAT guy with a pair of pliers in a dimly lit room.
    2. It also appears that the two patsies were an intentional distraction for LEO in the aftermath.
    3. Everything I’ve seen so far tells my gut this was Israeli, but that it was done purposely to make it look like a Trans shooting so the “Law and Order” Right – and everyone – can just sweep this away as being yet another Trans whackadoo. To me this has Bibi written all over it. Notice we’re no longer talking about Israel’s massive law of war violations – just blowing up people in an ostensibly neutral third country?

    Charlie said that if he broke from Israel they’d whack him and I think that’s exactly what happened. That it happens 24 years after 9/11 is… well, I don’t know, maybe that’s a message, too.

    • Mojeaux

      I’ve heard that floated (Israel versus a lefty), but it doesn’t matter. Not one bit.

      A. If the right were at all not-terrified of its own shadow, it’d take action no matter which it was because EVERYBODY has been fomenting this for a long time.

      B. And nothing else will happen.

      • (((Jarflax

        If your goal is to tear down order shooting people you don’t like works toward that goal. If your goal is to restore and protect order, shooting people you don’t like works against that goal even if the people you shoot are hostile to that order, unless it is done very carefully and using the mechanisms of order. What action should we take? Shoot dudes in dresses? Burn down the neighbor’s house with the “In this House we…” sign? I vent about helicopters often, so I fully understand the frustration, but mirroring the left’s tactics won’t fix anything I want fixed. It will further break it. It’s not cowardice stopping the right.

    • Brochettaward

      Was anyone really talking about Israel’s attack in Qatar? I posted it here and people yawned and justified it.

      Did Kirk get critical of Israel recently? I thought he was a typical MAGA rara go Jews guy.

    • cyto

      On the list of people Israel would target, Kirk has to be way near the bottom. He has been a fairly staunch supporter of Israel in general. There are hundreds chanting “from the river to the sea” at his level.

    • (((Jarflax

      Well, on that note I think I’ll log off for a bit. I didn’t have you pegged as one of our Zero Hedge types, but I guess I was wrong.

      • Brochettaward

        I think blaming Israel here without real evidence of any kind is a bridge too far, but I take this as some sort of shot at me seeing as how I’ve become the most vocal critic of Israel here somehow mainly with the Epstein thing and their attack on Iran.

        Yet I couldn’t care less about what Israel does to Palestine and completely support their right to defend themselves after they were attacked. You know, I just don’t want the US dragged into it. And the evidence strongly indicates that Epstein was in fact an Israeli intelligence asset.

        I don’t frequent Zero Hedge, but if that’s what the comments there believe, sign me up.

        People here have gotten too pro-Israeli. They aren’t our kid brother. They’re a sovereign state that acts in their own interests and often at the expense of our own.

      • (((Jarflax

        I didn’t have you in mind for what it is worth. I don’t disagree that the US should stay largely out of Israel’s war. They are as you say sovereign and acting in their own interest. But the idea that every bad thing that happens to us is an Israeli false flag operation designed to lock in our support is stupid, and this is an especially stupid example of it because the ‘target’ of this if it were a false flag, is not an enemy of Israel, so it wouldn’t serve their ends even if you presume that they have superhuman abilities and are willing to risk alienating their staunchest allies here if they got caught.

      • EvilSheldon

        “I don’t frequent Zero Hedge, but if that’s what the comments there believe, sign me up.”

        Yeah, ZeroHedge comments tend to go way farther than that. They are very much into the Jews-run-the World conspiracy shit.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        People here have gotten too pro-Israeli. </em.

        Wut.

      • Brochettaward

        Meaning that people here will defend Isreal no matter what dumb or unethical thing they’re caught doing.

        Like promising their enemies safety while a deal is negotiated and then attacking anyway in a third party nation that is actually going out on a limb by being an intermediary. That sort of shit.

      • Not Adahn

        As far as cryptoatisemites on Glibs goes,

        You’re not first on the list.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        I wasn’t around much this summer, but I only remember someone complaining about Dave Smith’s crusade against Israel. FWIW, I agree with Dave, even if he spends too much time talking about it.

    • Common Tater

      “Everything I’ve seen so far tells my gut this was Israeli, but that it was done purposely to make it look like a Trans”

      I don’t see any evidence it was Israel, or how it was to make it look like the shooter was trans.

      Also, Qatar is where much of Hamas is headquartered.

      • cyto

        The evidence of trans at the moment comes from the weapon. Antifa and Trans writing on the remaining cartridges, per the ATF memo.

      • EvilSheldon

        There’s also no need to signal a sniper when the sniper is shooting a stationary target in the open.

      • Brochettaward

        The issue isn’t that Israel attacked Hamas leadership in Qatar in itself. At least not for me.

        It’s the whole we promise you’re safe and we don’t attack you while we negotiate (with the US supporting the whole thing) and then we attack anyway aspect of all this.

      • Common Tater

        That makes it look like the shooter was a leftist, not that the shooter was trans.

    • trshmnstr

      It strikes me as something that would be extraordinarily shortsighted on their part.

      They have compliant, if only tepidly so, administration in the US, with more and more sentiment drifting away from their interests.

      It would be extraordinarily high risk to take a shot at one of the president’s biggest grassroots organizers and then just rely on the fact that their involvement won’t be found out. It seems to me that best case for them would be enough US chaos to allow them to have a few weeks of unobserved access to Gaza. The average case would be no change. The worst case would be a complete alienation of the Trump administration.

      The risk reward doesn’t add up to me. Not to say that I think they’re above doing something like that, but I’d have to be convinced that it was in their best interest to do so. Im assuming domestic until proven otherwise.

      • Ozymandias

        My “jump” to them is based on Netanyahu’s immediate message in the aftermath – before Trump had even posted – and then this bizarre attempt to make Kirk a pro-Israel guy when Kirk had clearly – recently anyway – been saying that what Israel was doing vis a vis the US was not “America First.” Our “special ally” continues to do abhorrent shit and some people – even those who agree that Islam is a religion with savagery baked in – don’t care for it.

        Look at what Trump tweeted after the Israeli bombing in Qatar; or the whole bombing of Iran thing; or the use of cell-phones and pagers as bombs without regard to civilian casualties; or the US foreign policy pivot after the Towers went down, or… On and On and On.

        The idea that Netanyahu would NEVER do something like interfere in US politics or conduct a targeted assassination if he thought it suited his interests is laughable. But only in the brainwashed post-WW2 climate where NO ONE can ever say anything bad about ANY Jew or his/her bad acts anywhere cuz “antisemitism.” There are a lot of people on the Right who treat Jews like the Left treats Blacks – a special mascot group who cannot be spoken about in anything but glowing terms no matter what it does – and neither group can see it no matter how obvious it is.

      • trshmnstr

        I’m on board with your take on the special treatment issue. It’s weird and creepy the more I look into it, and at very best it’s an inadvisable foreign entanglement on our part. I’m not pro Palestinian, I’m not pro Israeli. I’m pro minding our own business and providing humanitarian aid to all noncombatants.

        All that said, I just can’t connect the dots. I don’t see how Israel benefits from a cessation of focus on their actions. Was Trump actually going to do something in response to Qatar? Is the relationship so tenuous that they feel the need to take action? Even if the answer is yes to both of those, what does killing Kirk do? He’s influential with Trump, but not particularly anti-Israel. There were plenty of better targets available if they wanted to send a message. I also don’t think Trump is the kind to cowtow to assassination threats. They’d be playing with fire.

      • WTF

        They’d be playing with fire.

        Yeah, I could see Trump cutting Israel off if he learned they did this. Way too much risk with no real reward.

    • DEG

      Looks to me like the guy in the white hat next to Charlie is signalling the shooter – uses his phone’s glare – right after he gives the steal sign – to turn it toward the shooter just an instant before the shot. It’s the perfect signalling device for distance – it’s what every pilot learns in training/SERE/etc. and why a mirror is in every US Mil pilot’s E&E kit. The best visual signalling device for picking up a stationary object at distance. I would be talking to THAT guy with a pair of pliers in a dimly lit room.

      I’ve seen chatter elsewhere that this guy is a close friend of Kirk’s. If true, he’s not signalling the shooter.

      • Ozymandias

        When he was young, my uncle ran with a particularly tough crowd, including a guy considered to be the toughest SoB in the “county” (let’s just say).
        When they eventually found the guy’s body, he had been shot at close range multiple times while sitting in the back of a car. I promise you that people close to him – that he trusted – to get him into that car. That’s been la cosa nostra’s modus operandi for EVER (as just one example).

        That’s how real hits are done – by getting someone close to the intended target to help. Maybe I’m wrong – that’s not only entirely possible, but likely. Maybe his friend just happened to adjust his cap and then tug on his ear and then turn his camera toward the questioner – and the shooter’s direction – coincidentally and innocently. But if I’m conducting a murder investigation – and one that is clearly a targeted political assassination where the shooter would have had to have foreknowledge of where Kirk’s tent was going to be and line of sight for a shooter – that screams of inside foreknowledge.

      • (((Jarflax

        He was shot on stage at a planned event at which he was the main speaker seated at the focal point of the entire event, under a big tent emblazoned with his organization’s logo. Why the hell would anyone need a signal to locate him?

  51. The Late P Brooks

    Now, call me a fatalist all you want, but that’s born of watching this play out about every 5 years. Where’s the breaking point? There is no breaking point. The right is hamstrung to an extent that it’ll shake its fist at the sky and go back to doing what it was doing, ever more burdened year after year.

    I think: [sweeping self-indulgent generalities alert]

    This is fundamentally a religious schism. The end goals of the “Right” (and the vast majority of ordinary people) are individualistic. The end goals of the “Left” and their lunatic fringe foot soldiers are collective.

    Whatever organized efforts we are able to muster will fall apart as soon as the immediate crisis has been put off. We’re doomed.

    • cyto

      This is precisely the root of the issue.

      I think people are wired a certain way. We all have a good deal of tribal instinct. But some have more than others.

      For some, individual liberty is important, and societal good is a product of protections of individual liberty and responsible exercise of that liberty.

      For others, societal cohesion is the overwhelming priority. Conformity isn’t some sort of choice – it is innate. They see the 5 lights. They truly love Big Brother.

      These are not merely political choices, they are innate brain wirings that drive behavior at an instinctual level.

      • cyto

        What has changed over the last few decades is that the left has learned to go all-in on their teams tribalism. They use peer pressure to create belief, rather than argument. This is why The View exists. This is why “we all know” is such a common trope. This is why controlling social media is so critical.

        Once they have a critical mass of the community, standing in opposition becomes impossible. Most will be cowed into submission, and heretics excommunicated and exiled.

        Look at Portland. They have another police free zone where Antifa types check identity to ensure locals are not police. 90 days and the local government is powerless to act, despite the obvious problem and the obvious answer.

        We have long accepted that we are the outliers. The scary part is that I dont think you can argue your way out of this ideological trap that is created by tapping into groupthink.

      • Gustave Lytton

        Look at Portland. They have another police free zone where Antifa types check identity to ensure locals are not police. 90 days and the local government is powerless to act, despite the obvious problem and the obvious answer.

        Uhm, where would this be?

      • cyto

        The reporting I watched was from yesterday and it said this has been going on for 90 days. It included comments from the police nearby who said that they were not allowed to intervene as it might be seen as helping ICE and they have sanctuary laws under which police can be charged directly for anything that aids Immigration enforcement.

      • cyto

        From grok

        Assault/Threats on Elderly Lady: A disabled elderly woman living in subsidized housing near the facility reported being threatened with a knife by an Antifa militant named Justin Bowen, who has a long criminal history. He allegedly threatened to “cut this lady’s head off and make stew out of it” and post her face on a wall. She now carries bear mace, feels scared to go outside, and is trying to move but can’t afford it due to living on disability income. Bullhorns are frequently used in the protests for harassment, contributing to the overall intimidation—residents like her have complained about elderly community members struggling to sleep amid the constant noise. Other incidents include a black resident harassed over noise complaints and a Hispanic man punched in the face by a protester.

    • UnCivilServant

      That time was back whever these sites first launched.

  52. J. Frank Parnell

    “Activist group says.” Uh, we all saw the dumbass set off the flare that came back down dummy.

    Come on man, we all know it’s the Jewish Space Lasers.

  53. Brochettaward

    It might be too neat and easy, but I really think they just need to take a look at the trannie who was posting that something big was going to happen tomorrow on the campus. It’s like so obvious and in plain site that people are dismissing it or not paying attention. Sort of like the corruption of the Clintons.

  54. Suthenboy

    CNN on the rifle and ammo found: ‘there were inscriptions of culturally significant subjects’

    Ya’ dont say? They dont think anyone will notice that? I think they have achieved their dream – to out-mendacious The Atlantic. Or was the The Wa-Po? I cant keep up with who is in first place these days. MSNBC?

    • cyto

      This is the kind of gaslighting that the american people need to stop tolerating.

      Everyone can name the schools at Sandy Hook and
      Marjorie, Stoneman Douglas. But there was just a mass shooting in Nashville and Colorado, nobody can name the shooter, their motivation or even what kind of school it was.

      It was simply a red SUV that ran down 60 people at a Christmas parade. And nobody recalls anything specific about it.

      This is not bias. This is not simply viewpoint based reporting. This is a coordinated and orchestrated propaganda effort to ensure a common perception amongst the American people that there is a threat out there. And it is violent, white supremacists.

  55. Common Tater

    Decent collection of leftist reactions:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bluesky-reddit-democrats-celebrate-charlie-kirks-assassination-trump-declares-war-radical

    Also:

    “UKRAINE: Remember that Ukraine had Charlie Kirk on its hit list. The Center for Countering Disinformation led by Zelensky associates labeled Charlie Kirk a Russian asset. I’m not saying they killed him, but it might be smart to realize just how many American conservatives are on… pic.twitter.com/TdRlfgOBvo
    — @amuse (@amuse) September 11, 2025”

    • Ted S.

      I was kind of wondering if anyone would use this to go after Ukraine.

    • WTF

      Seems much more likely than the Israelis if it was in fact a professional hit. However, This analysis, which seems reasonable to me, seems to point toward a zealot.

  56. Common Tater

    “FBI releases photos of person of interest in Charlie Kirk assassination”