I hate to link and run, but apparently my oldest son was “hurt” at school. The damage report is: leg is a little red and we put ice on it. He’s gonna be pissed when I tell him his options are sit at urgent care for 3 hours or walk his ass home (we live maybe 1/3 of a mile). But the school has summoned me, so apologies on the brevity
Aww man, now she’s gonna come back to Florida. Trump fires Bondi.
Huh, I would not have expected a Michael Keaton move to get the science of cloning right.
I can’t wait to see what sort of Florida Man antics occur when Flavor Town comes to Cigar City.
This is definitely not what happened in the historic temperature series used to “prove” global warming.
Have fun without me. My wife is gonna kill me for spending $200 to take my kid to urgent care to prove a point.
For some reason, I thought this had already happened a while ago.
January we all thought she’d be shit canned and rumor is his CoS stopped him.
Im shocked that these establishment hack would do such a thing.
I also expect that mercurial Trump regularly says you’re fired and has to walk it back.
Copy of a copy of a
Royal families everywhere hardest hit.
All this says is “the process needs improvement”.
To the Birthright issue.
The solicitor general was asked about native americans and if they are citizens.
Dude whiffed and hemmed and hawed as if he didnt know Congress and subsequently a president, signed into law that they were indeed citizens as per the last clause of the 14th Amendment.
Hopefully the justices kick it back to Congress and tell them they need to do this legislatively and in the mean time, the EO stands on shaky/narrow ground.
No chance.
Agreed. It’s a constitutional amendment to change it. And that has no chance either.
Well it is but Congress has authority to dictate.
Section 5
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Congress can put into law what is/isnt allowed.
Just here, not a citizen, no intentions of being one….sorry. your child is [insert country of origin here].
I know it won’t happen but its not purely a Constitutional mechanism.
Tbh, regardless of the stated intent of the drafters, the 14th really does appear to support birthright citizenship, and the Ark case was probably correctly decided on that score. The drafters should have been clearer in their language if that wasn’t what they were going for.
Kim Wong Ark was about Legal Permanant Residents.
More or less, although the specific legal classifications we use today didn’t exist as such at the time. They were still subjects of the Chinese emperor though.
There is a guy that I have been watching on youtube lately. Can’t remember his name, but the video series is titled Washington Gun Law. He’s a lawyer, and he spends a lot of time quietly explaining the details of lawsuits regarding 2nd amendment laws without trying to show prejudice for either side even though he clearly has shown that he is all in favor of gun laws and the 2nd.
He occasionally branches off into other topics in front of appeals courts or SCOTUS. And he did a recent one on this specific case. Several key points.
SCOTUS has ruled multiple times on this topic and concurring opinions have always stated that being born in the US makes you a citizen. Thus the EO is a very tough case to sell.
The EO is badly written and the arguments for it have been poorly made.
And finally, do we want to establish a precedent where the next president can write an EO to explain how we going to interpret the 2nd amendment going forward regardless of how one may interpret past rulings from SCOTUS.
You can put me into the category of those who hate birth tourism and the consequence of letting 10s of millions of illegal immigrants pop up anchor babies.
And also put me into the category of those that don’t trust Trump and actively hate the EO that he signed.
I imagine I fit into a small intersection of those two groups.
But the right answer (which will not possibly happen) is for Congress to write a law that explains how and when foreigners become subject to the laws of the US for the purpose of the 14th amendment.
I have no actual problem with denying citizenship to the children of people who break the law to enter the country.
At least 2 justices left the door open, and even seemed amenable, for addressing birth tourism as a completely separate matter. And there seems to be a particularly good set of arguments and historical analogs to show that birth tourism does, indeed, not qualify one for citizenship under the 14A.
I’m particularly bothered by the idea of what allowing anchor babies citizenship means in reality.
My ancestors came here over 300 years ago. My ancestors have fought in every American war since the French and Indian War. They settled land across 3 states over the course of 130 years. And yet Jose, son of Consuela, who squeezed through a whole in the fence a couple days before popping out a kid, has the same rights and privileges as me.
American citizenship means nada.
My thoughts are: When you cross the border illegally, you become a fugitive the moment you cross. You are subject to immediate arrest; you get a hearing; and then you get deported. You are never legitimately in residence within the US. This is similar in many ways to the diplomat that can be removed from the country at the drop of a hat. {which is the historical justification for the 14th and clause for “subject to the jurisdiction” of the US as I understand it}
One would think.
But because the concept of illegal immigration, and hence illegal immigrants, didn’t exist when the 14A was ratified, you can’t rightly make that argument. At the time, Paco could cross the border on horseback, build a cabin, and bam!, he’s domiciled.
Not unless you’re willing to concede to the “but the founders could never imagine assault rifles with the thing that goes up” argument.
That said, being “domiciled” is a big part of the “pro” argument, which means birth tourism should be a target (and it seems a couple of justices would be amenable to that argument). Ditto for those who give birth before being “domiciled.”
I want very much to agree with you Kinnath (and with Dershowitz), but “subject to the jurisdiction” is not a loosely defined term that can cover illegal immigrants. It is a specific, common legal idea, clearly defined and unambiguous. Subject to the jurisdiction means within the power of the courts of that jurisdiction. By definition an illegal immigrant is subject to the jurisdiction of the courts of the United States, the very categorization of them as illegally present and removeable is an exercise of that jurisdiction.
A diplomat on the other hand is not subject to the jurisdiction of the courts of the United States by virtue of diplomatic immunity.
At the time, Paco could cross the border on horseback, build a cabin, and bam!, he’s domiciled.
At the time, the law allowed that. You became a de facto legal resident by making the effort.
The law does not allow that now. You must have the stamp of approval to cross the border. If you don’t get it, you are criminal fugitive.
Congress to write a law to make that clear if they wanted to.
They have written that law, and it’s the basis for all deportations.
But because it didn’t exist when the 14A was ratified, you can’t read that in 14A jurisprudence.
Washington Gun Law is a great channel. I miss his crappy law office backdrop he used to use before he became “big time”.
Okay, go with me here – illegals in many jurisdictions are being given de facto immunity from criminal prosecution, which has been codified to varying degrees. Given this, could it be said that illegal immigrants are not ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United states in such cases? Is this even a possible argument?
Maybe? It would be a stretch but no bigger than other stretches the Court has made. That said, stretches happen when the Justices want an outcome but the law dictates the other outcome, the three lefties don’t want this outcome, so it would take at least 5 of the 6 not openly leftwing justices wanting the outcome enough to stretch, which right wing justices are loathe to do.
Which is the entire point if you’re a leftist.
And after hearing about an hour’s worth of oral arguments, they don’t seem inclined to do any sort of stretching.
In fact, many of the questions from the justices involved very far out there hypotheticals that cannot happen in modern day reality. If they’re stretching, it’s to uphold it, not to get rid of it. It didn’t help that Sauer didn’t have many answers that didn’t rely on sketchy sources dating as far back as Roman law, while not having any analogous law from Common Law or later until after the 14A was written.
He stated plenty of contemporary sources, specifically the congressional record of the debates over the meaning of the 14A, which would seem to uphold a ban on birthright citizenship from birth tourism and perhaps even those who aren’t “domiciled” (which is defined as a permanent home), but he came up empty for contemporary sources about anything that could say what we now define as illegal aliens should be exempt. He couldn’t cite anything that addressed anything of that sort until 30 years later, which the justices weren’t having when discussing the meaning of the 14A according to those who ratified it.
I’m going to go out and predict a 6-3 or even 5-2 against yeeting birthright citizenship to, at the very least, domiciled illegals
His stuff is pretty good.
So I have ~750 years to figure out a solution to this problem?
Get started.
Or you could just make kids the old fashioned way, which has some advantages built in to the process.
Generation 27
Fantastic name for a B movie.
This is definitely not what happened in the historic temperature series used to “prove” global warming.
In a certain way, this is proof that data centers cause global warming.
My wife is gonna kill me for spending $200 to take my kid to urgent care to prove a point.
I’m usually the designated driver to our local urgent care. I’ve taken my wife and all three daughters a few times each. I think I went for myself twice, the latest was right after my accident.
Nah, AWFLs rely on LLMs to generate their DEI reports for their $190k a year HR administrator jobs, so data centers can’t possibly cause global warming. Global warming is caused by big trucks driven by icky high school educated men with dirt under their fingernails.
All HR departments should be neutron bombed from orbit.
If you are the urgent care DD does that imply that your wife is drunk on those trips?
Make him work it off with a shammy and a stack of monocles.
I hope you spelled it that way ironically but I can’t tell anymore,
I hope its nothing serious. The last time I was called for such a thing my daughter broke her arm.
Damn, ROAT, you could’ve just used Brett’s method of teaching a lesson. You didn’t need to break her arm.
You read that wrong. ROAT’s daughter broke the school administrator’s arm for calling ROAT. Snitches get stitches!
Sometimes it’s wiser to just walk past the tar baby instead of picking it up
Rarely has a single act of civil disobedience so efficiently exposed the hypocritical cruelty of a law than Samantha Boucher’s use of a second floor bathroom at the Kansas Statehouse.
Tuesday afternoon in Topeka, Boucher repeatedly violated Senate Bill 244 — the brazenly bigoted anti-trans law that erases the identities of those who live as their authentic selves. While she informed Capital Police of her intentions, and while Attorney General Kris Kobach’s office was appraised of these violations by journalists, nothing happened.
That’s right, a transgender person invaded a women’s space. The crisis had come! But no armed guard stepped up to block the doorway. No lawyers from the attorney general’s office were busily drawing up charges.
——-
“I think the attorney general is a paper tiger,” Boucher said.
What a cheap trick, declining to participate in the minstrel show antics of that brave civil rights advocate.
Flopping your cock around in the ladies’ room isn’t living as your authentic self. Your authentic self is a bloke. It’s easy to tell on account of the cock.
*Rejects everything about one’s physical manifestation*
I’m LiViNg As My AuThEnTiC SeLf!
My authentic self goes around with a shotgun blowing the heads off anyone who says something like that unironically, or reads it with agreement. Fortunately my real self resists that and many other urges and lives within the parameters of our bourgeois society. I think it’s best if all of us suppress our authentic selves, lest all of us unleash our authentic selves.
The half-tribe one gets it here.
I like way you think, (((Jarflax.
My authentic self feeds agents of the state into woodchippers feet first and tells Preet to come at me, bruh.
There is no way an actual human wrote that.
erases the identities
I hate that phrase. It means nothing. But I have to admit, they/them’s in a vape-filled room came up with something catchy.
Commies aren’t human
Rafał Gan-Ganowicz has entered the chat.
If I were to, “…live my authentic self,” I would be in prison for the rest of my life. (For reasons that have nothing to go with my sex, sexual orientation, or proclivities.)
‘Living as your authentic self’ is synonymous with ‘being a giant entitled asshole.’ Mic drop, full stop, EvilSheldon will not be taking questions at this time.
You can’t mic drop this comment! I made it already!
This kind of thing happens when it takes me seven minutes to write a coherent post.
Oh, you are all fancy and curate your posts for coherence and probably spelling and grammar!
Buzzword Bingo!
Do you really want to go down that path?
Yeah. I’m sure “sources” said exactly that.
I can’t wait until AMANDA writes her next column telling us about the secret agenda going on in Trump’s head.
It’s a good thing the Dems are above such shenanigans.
Tbh, regardless of the stated intent of the drafters, the 14th really does appear to support birthright citizenship
At the time, it wasn’t a big deal. But now we need a legislative solution. Stop laughing. That would also eliminate the issue of trying to retroactively determine/revoke citizenship.
The overarching problem is that because the 14A is part of the constitution, Congress can’t just write a law. It’ll take an amendment, which seems unlikely to ever happen again in any circumstance.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Don’t need an amendment. Just need to define “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. The lawsuits will be filed immediately; the courts can then settle on the definition.
It seems to me the court is about to decide what that means.
To them it seems to mean “subject to the laws”, which, like you, I’d argue is wrong. When you enter illegally, you’re looking to actively avoid and subvert the local jurisdiction, not subject yourself to it.
How do they remove illegals from the jurisdiction of the US courts without making them immune from criminal prosecution or civil suits? The cure would be worse than the disease.
Section 5 of that Amendment clearly gives Congress latitude to define the provisions
That’s a very fair point.
If they aren’t subject to the jurisdiction thereof, you cannot deport them with any legal authority, or indeed prosecute them for any crimes committed.
So we need to chalk this one up to the ratifiers of the 14A simply not having the foreknowledge that in 100 years we’d have millions of migrants invading our borders and plopping out “citizens.”
The US has often asserted jurisdiction over foreign nationals for civil or criminal matters without making them citizens.
Section 5
I think that’s a massive stretch of the imagination. It’s gives them power to enforce, not define.
The US has often asserted jurisdiction over foreign nationals for civil or criminal matters without making them citizens.
Yes, of course it has, the issue is that the 14th amendment specifically says that the requirements for citizenship are to be either born here to persons subject to the jurisdiction or naturalized while subject to the jurisdiction. Now, Congress can define the requirements to be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but the citizenship rule is not a different kind of subject to the jurisdiction from all others, so however they define those rules, the people that those rules make subject to the jurisdiction of the United States are the people the courts have authority over, and also the people whose US born children are citizens.
I dislike that conclusion. I dislike the law here. I think it is absurd that people here illegally can gift their child US citizenship, but I do not see how else to read that amendment.
Even if Congress passes a law to define that phrase, I’m not sure it would help because the ratifiers of the 14A would not have been aware of that definition.
They made a law to make Indians citizens. The constitution gives congres the ability to make imigration laws.
At the time, Indians were specifically NOT subject to US jurisdiction.
And yes, Congress can make immigration law, but they cannot change the constitution while doing so any more than they can make AR15s illegal because “the founders couldn’t have imagined modern weapons.”
To be fair, these issues will sort themselves out when the country is bankrupt and it is no longer attractive to moochers.
I think it’s best if all of us suppress our authentic selves, lest all of us unleash our authentic selves.
That Noem guy unleashed his authentic self, and look what it got him.
TIDDIES!!!!
WTF?
https://www.pcgamer.com/software/windows/apparently-you-cant-escape-microsoft-outlook-issues-even-in-space-as-artemis-ii-astronauts-ask-nasa-for-help-with-the-software/
Why use that in space? Surely there is a better way to communicate.
Based on this I would say that the outlook for our future in space is poor. In a word I think the issues with power point to a limit on how much we can excel in this window of opportunity.
Ya they should have just made a linux phone that would have been secure
##PINEPHONE FOREVER
Apparently they had emailed the instructions on how to use the toilet.
Well Microsoft knows it’s shit, so that makes sense.
and no, I did not spell anything wrong.
My web site is hosted by GoDaddy, and they used to have a nice web email interface. Then they forced us to change to the Outlook web version, and now logging in is ridiculous. “In order to log you in, we’re sending you a one-time code to the email address you’re trying to log in to.”
Mozilla Thunderbird mail is an upgrade.
Webmail universally sucks. Thunderbird is good, and has become the defacto standard for desktop clients now since everybody uses webmail, except me and the 4 other people who use Claws-Mail.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
I, simpleton that I am, read this and think, “A child born to foreign citizens on American soil ought properly to be considered a citizen of the parents’ home country.”
Why wouldn’t it be?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark
Not the first nor last incorrect decision from that crowd.
No reason it wouldn’t be.
That is the correct interpretation.
Unfortunately, American jurisprudence define “subject to the jurisdiction” as “subject to the laws thereof.”
Though, as I noted, the debates at the time of ratification signal that “sojourners” or those not domiciled here should not be included, though the justices made note that this argument doesn’t cover illegal immigrants per se. They are separate issues, and seemed to have left the door open to discuss things like birth tourism or Consuela popping out a kid within days of crossing the border.
Children of illegal immigrants can exercise their US citizenship upon reaching the age of majority. Meanwhile, they and Mommy can go back to her nation of origin.
That’s another point. Resolving the birthright citizenship issue one way or t’other wouldn’t necessarily resolve the underlying “chain migration” issue that allows for the “anchor babies” to become a visa factory. Congress *can* amend the law to end that fuckery.
Yes.
And they should. But they won’t, because they’re cowards.
TOO LOCAL NEWS: NH State Senate drama edition
After months of internal turmoil and staff complaints of harassment, state Sen. Tim McGough (R-Merrimack) has been removed from his committee assignments by Senate President Sharon Carson (R-Londonderry).
It’s the latest development in a story that’s been unfolding behind the scenes in the upper chamber, as both his colleagues and Senate staff have found the Merrimack Republican difficult to work with.
On Wednesday, McGough’s name had disappeared from the official websites of both the Commerce and the Executive Department and Administration committees. McGough had already been stripped of his staff — the only member of the state Senate to be denied staff support — reportedly due to his treatment of assigned staffers.
“He’s just an arrogant jerk,” one Republican State House source told NHJournal.
Commerce Chair Sen. Dan Innis (R-Bradford) told NHJournal he was informed about McGough’s removal via a letter from Carson’s office delivered Wednesday afternoon.
“I don’t know why, or what’s behind it,” Innis said.
A little more on the drama
OT – https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/voice-actor-bobs-burgers-injured-new-hampshire-car-crash-rcna266337
I saw some posts about that. I’ve actually never seen the show.
Today I got an email that the Army discharge review board voted to upgrade my discharge from “general” to “honorable”. Yay me. In your faces, George Carlin and Jimi Hendrix, like those losers ever went on to accomplish anything.
It only took them 5 years. That’s warp speed for bureaucracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2zjg78ay4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjzZh6-h9fM
https://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/jimis-private-parts
https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/6ddmoc/kinda_interesting_george_carlins_discharge_papers/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxWfUVkpm6A
🎉 🍻
Huzzah!
Now milk your honorable veteran status.
How’s the DEI space parade going?
The toilet broke, somebody had to pee in a bag, and now the Outlook email broke. Sounds like a night at a college frat house.
🤣
Filed under too local, this apparently happened:
https://idahonews.com/news/local/i-84-closed-in-all-directions-near-ten-mile-exit-due-to-police-activity
I didn’t notice at the time because I refused to leave the house.
Photos obtained by CBS2 and video shared by viewers in the area show what appears to be a police standoff,
Someone didn’t bring enough doughnuts.
No reason to close both sides.
If he wants to run and ends up under a semi so be it.
Spare a thought for the truck driver.
Could be me.
There are a cubic fuckton of celebrities who own wineries and spirits brands, primarily for tax reasons (agricultural subsidies and write-offs). With very few exceptions, the products are quite overpriced for their quality.
I don’t expect Fieri’s tequila to be any different.
I had Momoa’s vodka recently. It was good but yeah overpriced.
Unfortunately, American jurisprudence define “subject to the jurisdiction” as “subject to the laws thereof.”
This sort of tortuous logic is exactly why I didn’t go to law school, but what if we interpreted that as “sole” jurisdiction; can we not say a foreign national is still under the jurisdiction of his own country? Just to muddy the waters further, where do territories and open frontier, which existed at the time, fit into the jurisdiction puzzle?
I don’t really care, because my opinion means nothing.
Can the US government arrest an American citizen for smoking weed in Canada?
Back to birthright citizenship — I know, I was away for a couple of hours.
I am perfectly happy to give any person born in the US automatic citizenship.
I am also perfectly happy with terminating the parental rights of the parents in the delivery room and deporting them instantly.
The kids can grow up in foster care and maybe get adopted at some point.
Deport them all.
This is the correct answer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsTowingThings/s/xVs62jV9Jb
Top notch craftsmanship there. Someone invite them here. I bet that would make a great series of articles.
Bobbo?
Army Chief of Staff just got fired. A career infantry officer who probably disagreed with the latest insane plans.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hegseth-ousts-army-chief-of-staff-gen-randy-george/
Officers.
Few will be missed b
He hadn’t been an infantry officer since 2014. General officers give up their branch.
Oh no! A council on foreign relations fellow, Lloyd Austin’s assistant, and Biden appointed CSA got fired. Boo hoo.
Phrasing it that way doesn’t confirm Drake’s biases.
The sight of my kids’ school on my caller ID was the thing I most feared for years.
Because reasons, there was a 3″ screw sticking way out of one of XY’s projects. He went running through and snagged the fleshy part of his calf on it and there was blood everyfuckingwhere. I drive him to the ER and he’s wailing and well, I get it, I’d be wailing too.
Anyway, he got over that as soon as the doc got to stitching him up, because he got pissed off I was standing over him oohing and aahing about it while the doctor stitched, and she and I talked about it and I took pictures and said, “So cool!” a lot. 22 stitches in 2 layers and he’s still mad I wasn’t appropriately sympathetic.
I imagine your son thusly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0DWShK9a-o
That is an awesome mom moment.
Back from oldest nephew’s track and field practice. A positive surprise, they let the ~12yo’s throw shotput, but obviously no javelin. (Pussies.) Eight and four lb balls. Dad worked hard to learn to juggle a shotput and we still have one ’round. A shotput, a tennis ball and a penny was his best trick. (Fuck that penny. Never tried to juggle the shotput. I can juggle, but have no real desire to practice with that outside.)
He’s ridiculously athletic, the 12yo. *If* he decides to actually compete, he’ll be stellar in whatever he does. He’s gonna be small, so that’s a good/bad thing, depending on what/if he pursues.
Still snowing…
Ugh. We were mid-70s today.