Stoic Friday CLVI

by | May 29, 2026 | Advice, LifeSkills, Musings, Stoic | 12 comments

Daily Stoic

Meditations

How to Be a Stoic

How to Think Like a Roman Emperor

Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic

If you have anger issues, this one is a great tool (h/t mindyourbusiness)

This week’s book:

Discourses and Selected Writings

Disclaimer: I’m not your Supervisor. These are my opinions after reading through these books a few times.

Epictetus was born a slave around 50 ad. His owner was Epaphroditus, a rich freedman who was once a slave of Nero. Though he was a slave Epictetus was sent to study philosophy under Musonius Rufus.

Epictetus was lame and there are some stories it was caused by his master and others that it was caused by disease.

He was a freedman when all philosophers were banished from Rome in 89 by the Emperor Domitian. He then started his school in Greece, and had many students. He did not leave any writings from his lessons, but one of his students, Flavius Arrian, took notes and wrote the Discourses.

Epictetus did not marry, had no children, and lived to be around 80-85. In retirement, he adopted a child that would have been abandoned and raised him with a woman.

He died sometime around AD 135.

He is my favorite Stoic teacher. I love his bare bones and very straight forward approach.

Following is a paragraph-by-paragraph discussion of one of his lessons. Epictetus’s text appears italicized in bold, my replies are in normal text.

To those who lightly talk about their own affairs

When someone gives us the impression of having talked to us frankly about his personal affairs, somehow or other we are likewise led to tell him our own secrets, and to think that is frankness! The first reason for this is because it seems unfair for a man to have heard his neighbor’s affairs, and yet not to let him too have, in his turn, a share in ours. Another reason, after that, is because we feel that we shall not give the impression to these men of being frank, if we keep our own private affairs concealed. Indeed, men are frequently in the habit of saying, “I have told you everything about myself, aren’t you willing: to tell me anything about yourself? Where do people act like that?” Furthermore, there is also the thought that we can safely trust the man who has already entrusted knowledge of his own affairs; for the idea occurs to us that this man would never spread abroad knowledge of our affairs, because he would be careful to guard against our too spreading abroad knowledge of his affairs.

I have learned to be careful about who I tell things to. When I had a job I didn’t like after the Marines and found the job I have now, there was a wait of a month before I started this job. I told my co-worker and told him not to tell anyone. A couple days later he was telling me about a different co-worker and he said to me,”Don’t tell anyone, but Greg has a new job soon”. At that moment, I realized he had probably told others about my situation. Sure enough, I started getting asked questions about whether I had a job waiting and they were considering letting me go so they could start looking for a replacement.

5In this fashion the rash are ensnared by the soldiers in Rome. A soldier, dressed like a civilian, sits down by your side, and begins to speak ill of Caesar, and then you too, just as though you had received from him some guarantee of good faith in the fact that he began the abuse, tell likewise everything you think, and the next thing is—you are led off to prison in chains.[1] We experience something of the same sort also in the general course of our life. For even though this particular man has safely entrusted knowledge of his own affairs to me, I do not myself in like manner tell my affairs to any chance comer; no, I listen and keep still, if, to be sure, I happen to be that kind of a person, but he goes out and tells everybody. And then, when I find out what has happened, if I myself resemble the other person, because I want to get even with him I tell about his affairs, and confound him and am myself confounded. If, however, I remember that one person does not harm another, but that it is a man’s own actions which both harm and help him, this much I achieve, namely, that I do not act like the other person, but despite that I get into the state in which I am because of my own foolish talking.

Just because he had done something he told me he wouldn’t, I did not mention to Greg that I knew he had a new job. Doing so would have not improved my situation any. Instead I took it as a lesson learned on dealing with civilians vice dealing with Marines.

Yes, but it isn’t fair to hear your neighbor’s secrets and then give him no share of your own in return.10—Man, I did not invite your confidences, did I? You did not tell about your affairs on certain conditions, that you were to hear about mine in return, did you? If you are a babbler, and think that every person you meet is a friend, do you also want me to be like yourself? And why, if you did well to entrust your affairs to me, but it is impossible for me to do well in trusting you, do you wish me to be rash? It is just as though I had a jar that was sound, and you one with a hole in it, and you came to me and deposited your wine with me, for me to store it in my jar; and then you complained because I do not entrust to you my wine also; why, your jar has a hole in it! How, then, is equality any longer to be found? You made your deposit with a faithful man, with a respectful man, with a man who regards only his own activities as either harmful or helpful, and nothing that is external. Do you wish me to make a deposit with you—a man who has dishonored his own moral purpose, and wants to get paltry cash, or some office, or advancement at court, even if you are going to cut the throats of your children, as Medea did?

I love the example comparing a blabber mouth to a jar with a hole in it. Since I am generally not a big talker, I don’t have too much problem in my day to day life with blabbing things I don’t want everyone to know. My wife had a neighbor with a huge hole in her jar. The first day she met my wife she was gossiping about all of the other neighbor’s secrets and drama. Then she started asking my wife some personal questions. My wife said she just avoided any specific answers because she knew whatever she told the neighbor, all of the wives on our little corner would know.

15Where is there equality in that? Nay, show yourself to me as a faithful, respectful, dependable man; show that your judgements are those of a friend, show that your vessel has no hole in it, and you shall see how I will not wait for you to entrust the knowledge of your affairs to me, but I will go of myself and ask you to hear about mine. For who does not wish to use a good vessel, who despises a friendly and faithful counselor, who would not gladly accept the man who is ready to share his difficulties, as he would share a burden with him, and to make them light for him by the very fact of his sharing in them?

My wife, brothers, and my step dad are the only people I truly trust with any secrets, not that I really have any, there are some advantages to being a simple man. I do my best to help friends when they confide some difficulty to me, but I don’t reciprocate with sharing a dilemma of my own.

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12 Comments

  1. Fourscore

    Ron, my life is so boring the neighbors don’t want to hear any gossip about me.

    It’s like that First Grade best seller.

    “Run, Spot, Run

    See Spot run”

    No one asks what I have been up to lately.

    • ron73440

      Right there with you, Fourscore.

      Most exciting thing we have is watching a movie and drinking a little on a Saturday night.

  2. kinnath

    I regularly keep secrets from myself. It’s the only way to be sure nothing leaks out.

    • ron73440

      I hide things from myself too.

      • Unreconstructed

        With booze and Amazon, you can be your own Secret Santa!

      • kinnath

        Several years ago, Suthenboy turned us on to Dead South. I watched the video and scrolled through the comments afterwards. There was one interesting one (paraphrased from memory) . . .

        I was drunk when I watched this. Guess who has a banjo coming from amazon. I don’t know how to play banjo.

  3. Ted S.

    Three people can keep a secret, as long as two of them are dead.

    • EvilSheldon

      There really is something about Josef Stalin quoting Benjamin Franklin…

      • Ted S.

        God helps those who help me….

  4. The Late P Brooks

    Stoic

    U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he was unconcerned about the political fallout of an extended ​conflict with Iran, and that Iranian leaders had miscalculated if they thought ‌the November midterm elections would force him into a deal.
    “They thought they were going to outwait me,” Trump said at a White House cabinet meeting, referring to Iran’s leadership. “You know, ‘We’ll outwait ​him. He’s got the midterms.’ I don’t care about the midterms.”

    ——-

    Trump made the comments on Wednesday as he discussed how to end the conflict. His dismissal of midterm pressure could add to concerns among Republican allies already uneasy with earlier remarks downplaying the economic impact of the war ​on Americans.
    Growing voter disquiet about high prices, especially for gasoline, has added to political pressure ​on Trump’s Republican Party, which is widely expected to struggle to keep control of the House ‌of ⁠Representatives and possibly the Senate.

    Focused on the big picture?

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