Some Thoughts on Hurricane Prepping

by | Oct 25, 2022 | Energy, LifeSkills, Prepper | 163 comments

So first of all, fuck hurricanes. Fuck them right in the eye. Second of all, whoever decided it would be a good idea to live on a giant peninsula outside the tropics, surrounded by large bodies of warm ocean water is a moron. I realized point two as I was looking at the five-day chart on Friday and it covered the entire goddamn state. There’s no good place to run that isn’t six plus hours by car (although we had no fewer than 4 non-Glibs offers). And the wife and I were both opposed to doing that for an unknown duration with four kids, two under two. As I write this on Tuesday afternoon, the storm continues to track south, so I guess a bunch of this is going to be not particularly useful, although we will get a bunch of rain, and the power will go out for a little while.

So we did all the standard stuff. Water, non-perishable food, a way to heat the food that isn’t dependent on electricity. Fine. We chose not to do the ritual where you fill random dodgy containers with gasoline. We have two full-ish tanks of gas in our cars and another five gallons besides, I have 2 five gallon gas canisters and one is always full and the other is always not empty. That’s your basic, we’re in the five day cone, shit.

When you’re in the middle of the 3 day cone, then it gets real. First choice: stay or go. We kind of covered that. The locally famous meteorologist (dude has a beer named for him) has a saying “run from the water, hide from the wind.” If you’re in the path of flooding or storm surge, just leave. [Post-hurricane edit: Seeing how fucked up Ft. Myers/Sanibel/Captiva got, just leave if you’re within the cone with 48 hours to go and you can get wrecked by a 10-15 foot surge.] If you live in manufactured home, you should probably go. If you have a giant oak of unknown age that could cave in your entire roof, maybe think about leaving. We live in a concrete block house 70 feet above the tide line, no giant trees, more than a mile inland. The amount of water it would take to flood us is basically a Yucatan-basin meteor strike. So we’re in the stay group. Although, if you have a place to fuck off to and entertain your family, I won’t judge. If it was me and the wife, I’d put in for some emergency time off and take a vacation. With four boys, one an infant and one a toddler, there is no vacation, only more kids to handle.

Now, let’s get to the fun stuff, what did we do differently between 2017 (Irma) and 2022 (Ian). Also, fuck I-named storms.

Chemistry is My Friend

TW, math ahead. Also, sorry for all the parenthetical text below, but I am playing fast and loose with units and certainty, two things that they try to beat out of you at E-school.

I have a chest freezer in the garage, but no generator. Should I have a generator? Probably, but buying one during the hurricane rush is a bad idea. What can I do to keep that stuff frozen for as long as possible? I happened to read a long article about how salting the water/ice bath in an ice-cream maker lowers the temperature of the whole system by about 10 degrees (F) as long as there is water and ice. And this is true, if you take an ice water mixture at 32F and add about 1.2 lbs of salt per gallon of water/ice, the temperature of everything will drop by 10F [Edit: I f’d up the unit conversions. This will depress the temperature by 10C or 18F]. What? Where does the heat go? More ice turns to water. If you get a chemical engineering degree, they will beat into your head the fact that the phase change energy of H2O far exceeds the amount of energy needed to raise or lower the temperature of the same mass of water in either phase. You can raise the temperature of a mass of water from 32F to 175F for the same amount of energy it takes to melt it as ice at 32F. So melting a little bit of ice can lower the temperature of the ice and the water a lot. It gets even better because you can lower the temperature of 2g of ice 1 degree for the same energy trade as 1g of water. Basically, one percent of the total mass of ice melts (in a 50/50 ice/water system) and it cools the whole system 10 degrees.

Science is badass, but what the hell does this have to do with my freezer? I replaced about 5 gallons of air (not very good at resisting temperature change) with a five gallon bucket of salt water. And the reason for salt water is that salt water melts at a lower temperature than meat, which is most of what I am trying to keep frozen. Meat “freezes” at about 28F. Air quotes indicate that not everything crystalizes, but we call it frozen. I want my sacrificial melting substance to melt before the meat. Water ice will keep my freezer at 32F (food safe) but not keep the meat technically frozen. I want the stuff in the bucket to melt first, not last.

I did the math on the the freezer, it uses both by the EnergyStar rating, and some online forums using actual measurements, about 2500 kJ/day (0.7kWh/day * 3600s/hr. 1 kW= 1kJ/s, so 0.7 Kwh/day = 2520 kJ/day, quit any time you’re having flashbacks of high school/college) of energy to maintain its temperature. Conveniently, the amount of energy it takes to melt a gallon of ice (we’re using gallon as a unit of mass here, but it was a gallon of water before we froze it, so approximately 8.32lb or 3.78kg) is approximately half that (lets assume that the efficiency of the compressor and the efficiency of a bucket of ice absorbing heat is approximately the same). So I can basically “buy” myself two and a half days without power for the cost of 9lb of salt in 5 gallons of water [*I’d try 6lb/5gal next time] . I ran this by OMWC and some other chemistry nerds and they agreed it wasn’t crazy. Think of it more like a thermal battery backup, compared to a generator.

[Post-hurricane update: Due to my bad math, after 2 days, I still had a slurry of salty ice water. 2 takeaways: First, do my temperature conversions. Second, I think a plastic bucket significantly slowed heat transfer, next time, I’ll probably use gallon ziplock bags. But it was all good, we never lost power.]

You can tell I never did Basic Training

We’ve had occasional water issues in this corner during heavy rainfall in the past, so I dug a trench and used the soil to make field expedient sandbags. Swiss, who has extensive experience sandbagging, gave me a gentleman’s C, and told me not to ever depend on my skills where water was actually expected to rise. Oh, and the pool fence in the background is coming down before the storm. I just have to make sure the toddler is secured for the storm before I secure the pool fence.

Adult Beverages and Battery Packs for Kids Devices

Don’t forget these. I also made sure the older two actually downloaded some movies to their local storage. No power equals no internets. You’re trapped with them for 12-36 hours before you can safely turn them out and not expect them to end up blown three blocks away, plan accordingly.

And don’t overindulge. Nothing worse than emerging the morning after and having to run a chainsaw with a hangover.

Cover the Windows Last

This is especially relevant with this storm, as it turned south before I got a chance to put up the plywood. Yes, yes, hurricane shutters are better, but I kept the plywood from 2017, so it was just installation this time. It gets really fucking dark once you cover the windows. Do that as late as you safely can. After that its all artificial light until the storm passes, and my experience was the house seems a whole hell of a lot smaller with the windows boarded up.

Never Assume You’re Safe until the Hurricane is Past

A lot of people in Southwest Florida thought they were safe because the projections had the hurricane well out to sea as it went past them. Hopefully, none of them paid with their lives, but it is important to remember that facing a hurricane is like standing in front of someone shooting a shotgun at 30 yards. You can’t tell by looking down the barrel whether you’ll be hit, winged, or killed. In the end, we never even lost power, although people 5 blocks away were down for a day, and some friends well inland in the Tampa ex-urbs are still out a day later. Its a total crap-shoot. We raked up the yard, put all the furniture and the pool fence back out, and spent the day after trying to keep the kids entertained outside.

About The Author

Brett L

Brett L

Brett set out to find America, the real America, the America of strip malls and serial killers, of butthole waxing and kelp smoothies, of cocaine and maggots. He sought it in the most American part of America—Florida: swamp gas and fever dreams, where love arrives on a rickety boat and leaves when it doesn't have the money for its fourth abortion. Oh, where has Brett gone? He’s drinking at the neck of America’s wang, chewing its foreskin and working its shaft. Brett is becoming legend. Brett can never die. Brett can never die. Brett is America, facedown in his own patriotic puke: the red his blood, the white his stomach lining, and the cold, cold blue his gas station slushie, spiked with coconut rum and tetracycline.

163 Comments

  1. robc

    “whoever decided it would be a good idea to live on a giant peninsula outside the tropics, surrounded by large bodies of warm ocean water is a moron.”

    As usual, blame the government. What do you think Florida would look like without subsidized flood insurance?

    • Suthenboy

      Heaven?

      I have been through so many Hurricanes I find them a bit boring. Being prepared for them is just another day ending in Y.

  2. Mojeaux

    That’s more prep than I’d like to deal with, so I’ll stay here in tornado alley, thanks. There is very little prep you can do in tornado alley. It either hits you or it doesn’t. Either way, you’re in the basement.

    • pistoffnick

      I drove through a tornado once.
      My morning commute in Wichita. It was raining harder than I have ever experienced. I was doing maybe 3 mph because that’s all the further ahead I could see.
      On my return that evening, the muffler shop and craft store on the other side of the overpass was…just gone.

      • pistoffnick

        was, were

        I speek gud inglish

  3. Drake

    Agree on the gas – learned from Hurricane Sandy to keep the cars topped off before it hits and fill the lawnmower can just in case to keep our options open.

    Also – make sure you have propane or charcoal for the grill, could be how you do all your cooking for a while.

  4. UnCivilServant

    Soo… you have humidity, bugs, swamps, gators… and hurricanes.

    In terms of the dangerous weather risk, I’ll take the devil I know in snow.

    • R C Dean

      Here in Tucson we have . . . bugs. Scorpions, really, are the only ones to worry about. Oh, sure, tarantulas, but they’re actually pretty harmless. Oh, and rattlesnakes and Gila monsters. But other than that. . . . Oh, yeah, coyotes*, javalinas, and mountain lions. But that’s it. Probably. The bears hardly ever come into town, so I’m not counting them.

      *I remain convinced that at least one of the packs that cycles through is part wolf.

      • hayeksplosives

        In Pahrump we get coyotes and the occasional mountain lion. Most other critters are pretty harmless, aside from Death from Above birds picking off small pet dogs.

        Still haven’t seen a scorpion.

        On the other hand, burros and mustangs are a danger on the highways.

      • Sean

        Mine’s bigger.

      • UnCivilServant

        I was looking for that one, but the image search never showed it.

      • EvilSheldon

        Odd, mine came up 11th, after ten pictures of the crawly stinging kind…

      • UnCivilServant

        I searched CZ Scorpion, so no crawlies.

      • EvilSheldon

        It’s funny that this comes up right when I’ve been watching some videos on the practical utility of PDW-style weapons.

      • Rat on a train

        Scorpions will rock you like a hurricane.

      • Drake

        I was in AZ for business a few years ago. The local news had a story about a mountain lion or a jaguar (forgot which) jumping a back-yard fence during a kid’s birthday party and attacking people. Luckily a cool uncle with a concealed pistol was there and took care of it.

      • UnCivilServant

        It’s not a Puma?

        /ahnold voice

      • R C Dean

        Mountain lion. There are maybe a handful of jaguars, maybe, in far south Arizona. Its kinda cool – I can see the mountains where one was spotted a few years ago from my house.

    • Sean

      Amen.

    • rhywun

      Yeah, hard pass on all that other stuff.

    • Lackadaisical

      I’ll take all that over the disaster that is living under the thumb of the Democrats.

    • Certified Public Asshat

      What about ice?

  5. R C Dean

    Probably, but buying one during the hurricane rush is a bad idea.

    So buy one now?

    • pistoffnick

      Get a tri-fuel generator if you do buy one.

      • UnCivilServant

        Sounds like you need to keep all three filled.

    • Shiny Nerfherder

      Buy one in the winter.

      Of course this year the inventories are all hosed because of the engine shortage, but still…

      As far as brands go, Winco, Honda, Yamaha are my top three in portables.

      Winco for dedicated standbys.

      • Ted S.

        If you’re in hurricane areas.

        If you’re in a place where snow/ice is more likely to knock out power, summer may not be the worst time to buy your generator.

      • Shiny Nerfherder

        Manufacturer availability is generally worst during hurricane season no matter where you’re located.

    • Lackadaisical

      That’s what I want to know.

      Saw a ton bundled up at home Depot the other day.. Not sure what a good price or model is though.

      • Lackadaisical

        Online prices suck… I’d rather just have no power.

    • Spartacus

      I bought one right before Irma at the last minute. I had pretty much given up on getting one but I went by a Northern Tool store and a truck had just come in with generators.
      People were lined up, and workers were unloading generators straight out of the truck and onto customers’ carts. I got mine and got through checkout. Nobody even bothered to ask how much they cost. I’m sure they sold out in a couple of hours. It wasn’t a great one, but I can plug in the frig and several fans and/or lights. I used it again after Ian…we were without power for a week after both Irma and Ian. The gas grill comes in really handy when you have no power and are under a boil water notice.

      Re plywood: not only is it last to go on, removing them is the first thing to do after the storm passes. Otherwise you are sitting in a dark bunker with no light, no AC, no fans, no airflow. It’s not too bad in October but in August/September it’s like an oven. A very dark oven.

      We never considered evacuating, although the mandatory evacuation zone came within about 1/4 mile of my house. We have seven cats, which is probably roughly equivalent to four small children, except that shelters will let you in with children.

      I have friends who live about a block from the Caloosahatchee river. There used to be a row of houses, trees, etc between them and the river but now they have a clear view. I told them their property value should go up because they now have a riverview estate. Of course, it’s still going to be several more weeks before the house is habitable again.

      • R C Dean

        the Caloosahatchee river

        See, now you’re just making stuff up.

      • The Hyperbole

        Ain’t that where the MacCallister kid offed himself.

  6. The Other Kevin

    Thanks Brett. This is an interesting contrast to the “what happens when the power goes out in Germany” thing that was going around yesterday.

    • Sensei

      I remember reading that thinking about the times I’ve been without power for 7 and 10 days in metro NYC.

  7. Tundra

    Thanks, Brett.

    Especially on the salt water/freezer strategy.

    No hurricanes here, but power outages are definitely a thing.

  8. PieInTheSky

    Pray to Gaia and your house will be spared.

  9. PieInTheSky

    You can tell I was never did Basic Training – is this a meme or a typo

    • Sean

      Probably a typo.

  10. DEG

    We raked up the yard, put all the furniture and the pool fence back out, and spent the day after trying to keep the kids entertained outside.

    Good that you got through OK.

    • EvilSheldon

      That sounds awesome.

      You ever try Wickles pickle relish? This stuff sounds similar.

      • Sean

        I have not.

        Some random dude recommended it at Wegman’s when I was picking up a pack of their pickles.

      • R.J.

        Dixieland Chow Chow!

      • Spartacus

        Wickles are great. I don’t get them often because my wife doesn’t like hot (spicy) stuff. We have relish and Wickle’s slices in Publix.

    • slumbrew

      I’ve liked all the Grillo’s products. Yay, local guys.

  11. hayeksplosives

    You still have a house, and you are all ok, That is great news; not everyone can say that.

    In Southern Nevada we get some serious wind storms, some of which go on for hours. But the weather forecasts are pretty accurate so we know when we need to close umbrellas and secure patio items.

    The dust though—-it gets everywhere! Sometimes it’s so dense you just have to pull over and wait until there is visibility again.

    • UnCivilServant

      In a just world, the next headline would be “Angry mob tears judge limb from limb and throws pieces out of courtroom”

    • The Other Kevin

      Ugh. Here in Indiana? That’s not good.

    • EvilSheldon

      So reading the article, ehh, probably not a good test case.

      • The Hyperbole

        Yeah, 16 years old using the state to get away from parent he/she doesn’t get along with and vice versa. Personally I’d have told him/her to get a job and move out if she/he wants freedom but if the State wants to set them up with a nice foster home, no skin off my nose.

      • The Other Kevin

        Agreed. Parents pulled the kid out of therapy and school, and were verbally abusive. Kid was anorexic and suicidal. Not providing medical and mental health care is neglect.

        But I would guess there never will be a clear test case. Kids with gender dysphoria are not going to be healthy and well adjusted.

      • Lackadaisical

        I agree.

      • Mojeaux

        Agreed.

        I am convinced that body dysmorphia is more common than actual transgenderism, which is where the mental health treatment should come in.

        Now, my question is WHY did they take him out of therapy? I can see that if one said, “I didn’t have the money or insurance,” that might get a pass. Trust me, that shit’s expensive.

        As for kicking the kid out, if you do it before they’re 18, it’s child abandonment.

      • UnCivilServant

        The why is important. I can come up with many scenarios that fit the same basic set of facts.

      • R C Dean

        Now, my question is WHY did they take him out of therapy?

        If the answer was “The therapist was pushing xim toward drugs and surgery”, would that be a good reason?

      • UnCivilServant

        In my book, absolutely.

      • Mojeaux

        Absolutely.

      • Tundra

        Maybe not, but the justification is the important part.

        Had the court just left it at psychological abuse or something this wouldn’t have even been a story. By framing it as they have it will make this a more commonplace and obscene practice.

        I mean, are we not convinced there is a slippery slope yet? Particularly when it comes to kids?

      • Mojeaux

        I mean, are we not convinced there is a slippery slope yet? Particularly when it comes to kids?

        Yes, but it doesn’t help the cause to choose iffy hills to die on.

      • R C Dean

        That’s the hard one. By the time you run out of iffy hills, you may have run out of hills, period.

  12. Suthenboy

    The last one we had go through here left us 3 weeks with no power. I have one room dedicated to storing canned goods, about 20 cases of bottled water, a 500 gallon hot tub as a reservoir for toilet flushing. I keep a ton of batteries/flashlights and a battery powered radio. I keep a dozen 5 gallon cans of propane full and a top of the line propane stove. Both cars tanks topped off and half of a dozen 5 gallon gas cans full.
    For a week after the storm the neighbors and I put our chainsaws to work clearing roads and highways.
    Other than that Mrs. Suthenboy and I spent our time in our birthday suits with wet sheets wrapped over us and our feet in 5 gallon buckets of water. Damned hurricanes drag hot, humid doldrums in behind them so if you dont know how to stay cool you will be miserable.

    It was a bit more work than usual but we did not suffer. Another advantage is that we have zero chance of storm surge here.

    • Sean

      Other than that Mrs. Suthenboy and I spent our time in our birthday suits with wet sheets wrapped over us and our feet in 5 gallon buckets of water.

      Strong opening, then it got weird.

      • EvilSheldon

        I thought that was what the hot tub was for…

    • Lackadaisical

      ‘Damned hurricanes drag hot, humid doldrums in behind them so if you dont know how to stay cool you will be miserable.’

      Maybe it was because we were on the edge of the storm, but things cooled down and finally dried the air out in the wake of Ian.

  13. The Other Kevin

    My sister and her family (on the East coast) were like you, just some rain and never lost power. Mrs. TOK has a cousin who lives in Port Charlotte, which at one point was in the dead center of the hurricane’s eye. We heard a day later that he’s ok, but I’d like to hear his story. He’s in construction so I’m sure he’s working a LOT.

    • Tundra

      Several friends and relatives in the Ft. Meyers/Naples area. Virtually no damage to any of the properties.

      Kind of amazing, actually.

      • Fourscore

        My SIL in Palmetto lost her house, her son had some damage but livable. Now he has his MIL, with Alzheimer’s, and his own mother with some problems under the same roof.

      • Tundra

        Ugh. That’s awful.

      • slumbrew

        Ouch. Indeed, that’s gotta be hard.

      • Ted S.

        Yeah, when Irene came through in 2011 we were without power for 44 hours, and Mom’s dementia was already to the point where she couldn’t comprehend why the AC didn’t work, the generator not being big enough to handle AC.

      • slumbrew

        Friends in Naples (Pelican Bay) got off really light.

        There’s a big mangrove swamp between them and the water which helped a ton.

  14. Gender Traitor

    Also, fuck I-named storms.

    Can confirm. Even Ike’s dry heaves took down trees and took out power for nine days (for us, probably more for others) up in Ohio, for cryin’ out loud. And we’re definitely more used to being in Tornado Alley. Thanks for sharing the benefit of your experience.

    • Nephilium

      We got a couple days of storms up here. We’ll let all you more southernly people calm that down for us. I’m even on the side of Cleveland that doesn’t get lake effect snow, So… there’s a minuscule chance of a tornado rolling through, minor earthquakes every 5-10 years, and terrible sports teams.

    • robc

      Ike was still hurricane strength when it went thru Kentucky. I lost power for a week.

  15. PieInTheSky

    wife and I were both opposed to doing that for an unknown duration with four kids, two under two – there was a film Force Majeure which covered this

    • PieInTheSky

      Water, non-perishable food, a way to heat the food that isn’t dependent on electricity. – this reminds me of those MRE reviews with flameless heaters. I think steve1989 is also in florida but he is probably covered food and water wise

  16. Lackadaisical

    Sounds like we live fairly close by.

    I put up plywood I think 3 days out, partly because we didn’t have any so I was also ensuring fit, etc.

    ” If you’re in the path of flooding or storm surge, just leave. [Post-hurricane edit: Seeing how fucked up Ft. Myers/Sanibel/Captiva got, just leave if you’re within the cone with 48 hours to go and you can get wrecked by a 10-15 foot surge.] If you live in manufactured home, you should probably go.”

    There are evacuation plans for every county. These pretty much account for where the water will be. Look up your county map and know what zone youre in before the storm comes.

  17. Rebel Scum

    So first of all, fuck hurricanes. Fuck them right in the eye.

    That’s one way to get walled out of the circle.

  18. Raven Nation

    OT: I’ve been watching “The Real Anthony Fauci.” Granted, it’s propaganda, and somewhat conspiratorial. But some of this stuff about AIDS drugs and orphans in NYC, if even partly true, is getting into Mengele territory.

    • Shiny Nerfherder

      I read the book.

      If it weren’t true, Fauci could have sued RFK Jr and CHD into oblivion a long while ago.

    • Suthenboy

      That little toad has been in Mengele territory for at least 30 years. I remember him from my micro days. I know more micro in my little finger than that evil turd does.
      Oh, I forgot. Be very afraid. We are on the brink of a tripledemic. Shiver in fear and do as you are told.

      “….as hard as some parents are trying to keep their children healthy, doctors are still seeing a surge of sick kids.”
      I wonder what could be causing that? It is such a mystery.

  19. slumbrew

    Second, I think a plastic bucket significantly slowed heat transfer, next time, I’ll probably use gallon ziplock bags.

    I’d be worried about one of the bags letting go.

    Worth $120?

    https://www.mcmaster.com/buckets/material~aluminum/

    Can be used for for other things, when not being used as a heat-sink.

    Or spend $35 on a galvanized steel bucket.

    • Lackadaisical

      I thought it was going to be a block of aluminum. I wonder what the relative thermal load of cool metal is vs. frozen salty water for the same volume.

      Of course, you might go post the weight limit of your freezer doing that…

      • Nephilium

        Aluminum heats and cools quickly, especially compared to frozen water. I’d think having a bag break wouldn’t be that big of a deal assuming everything in the freezer was packaged well.

        You could also top off with frozen bottles of water as another storage source for drinking water.

      • Lackadaisical

        This made me dig into it more.

        I think the speed of temperature change is a positive, what I want sure about was the energy required to change the temperature per volume.

        I had assumed that because water is much less heavy than metal that there would be a point in favor of metals, but apparently, even on a volumetric basis water has the highest volumetric heat capacity. And that doesn’t even account for phase changing…

  20. Rebel Scum

    Hilldawg waxing dishonest about the coming elections:

    Our opponents certainly are right-wing extremists already have a plan to literally steal the next presidential election. And they’re not making a secret of it. The rightwing controlled Supreme Court may be poised to rule on giving state legislatures, yes, you heard me that correctly, state legislatures the power to overturn presidential elections. Just think if that happens? The 2024 presidential election could be decided not by the popular vote or even by the Anachronistic electoral college, but by state legislatures, many of them Republican controlled.

    States do not control their elections and Republicans should not be allowed to vote, I guess.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Did the proofreader call in sick?

    • rhywun

      Has she always been that stark raving mad? There must be something in the water at DNC headquarters because they’re all losing their marbles.

      • Gender Traitor

        She’s slipped a cog!

      • hayeksplosives

        Hildawg had an acute case of TDS from which she’ll never recover, because she really thought she had 2016 in the bag.

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        But, twist, SHE’S THE BAG!!!!!

    • Swiss Servator

      ELECTION DENIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • R C Dean

      To the Consitution!

      Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors,

      The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves.

      Obviously, the state legislatures have no role to play in Presidential elections. That’s just crazy talk.

      As for Congress’s role:

      The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

      • rhywun

        which Day shall be the same throughout the United States

        Day, weeks on end – same diff.

      • Lackadaisical

        I think they mean the day the electors vote. But the wording there is not super clear.

      • R C Dean

        I think its clear enough – there is only one “Day” preceding “which Day” in that sentence. That Day is pretty much the “deadline” for sorting out all the voting, challenges, etc.

      • rhywun

        Oh so they’re not talking about Election Day. Got it.

      • The Hyperbole

        Yep, the ‘Time of the chusing the Electors’ would be our election day, the ‘Day on which they shall give their votes’ would be our ‘insurrection’ day.

  21. Rebel Scum

    Milfolini strikes again.

    “Some people in Europe have said they want to keep an eye on the new Italian government,” Meloni said. “I think they could put their time to better use… The Italian people do not need to be lectured by others. Italy is part of the Western alliance, a co-founder of the European Union, and a member of the G7 and many other bodies. Together with ancient Greece, Italy is the birthplace of our Western civilization and our system of values – of liberty, equality, and democracy.”

  22. Certified Public Asshat

    Regular exercise could amplify the benefits of your next coronavirus vaccine or booster, a new study found. Exercisers who were vaccinated were about 25 percent less likely to be hospitalized with covid than sedentary people who received the same vaccine. https://t.co/4xlncJfSJ1— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) October 25, 2022

    Wow, I’m learning this for the first time.

    • Lackadaisical

      Non vaccinated who exercised also had lower risk of cardiac events/snark

      Alternate comment: quick, shut down the gyms!

      • Lackadaisical

        Oh, and parks too. I forgot that Paris and playgrounds got shutdown too.

      • slumbrew

        Can’t have maniacs stand-up paddleboarding during a pandemic!

      • Lackadaisical

        I’m not sure if Paris was shut down, but it probably was. You all see the typos I don’t catch, but miss all the effort that goes into reducing the total number of typos in my posts. It’s a case of the seen and unseen costs I tells ya.

      • Nephilium

        Fitness trails here were “closed” by putting yellow police line tape around the stations. Even for the ones that didn’t have equipment, such as jumping jack stations. They also shut down all the water fountains and restrooms in the parks here (and most other places turned off water fountains as well), which made planning extended routes difficult.

      • Lackadaisical

        They actually boarded up the board walks over swamps and put tape and signs, barriers, etc.

        I did my duty and ignored most of it. I should have torn some of it down, which I’ll never live down not doing.

      • Nephilium

        The one that really got me was that in some of the areas there was still enough foot traffic on the trails that people complained about the closed bathrooms. So the Metroparks put up port-a-potties outside the closed bathrooms.

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        They did that here, after the homeless started shitting everywhere.

      • Certified Public Asshat

        At the park across the street the county took down the basketball hoops, the tennis nets, and yellow taped the playground.

        For awhile some kids kept going and ripping the tape down. That was good news at least.

      • Tundra

        Remember when they filled in the skate parks with sand?

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        I remember when they locked up the bath rooms. I just started pissing on the doors at that point. The whole thing was just completely stupid.

      • Rat on a train

        I went to Charlottesville in early 2020. The hiking trails around Monticello were closed for your protection.

      • Shiny Nerfherder

        Rich liberal nitwits are a defining characteristic of Charlottesville

      • hayeksplosives

        Feeling stir-crazy in June 2020 (first year of lockdown) the Mr and I drove up to Mt Palomar, not far from where we lived, thinking we could at least park, walk around, and get some good views, even though the observatory itself was closed.

        Nope; they actually blocked the road up to the peak. No views for you!!

      • R.J.

        The local lakes were all open here. So people flocked to them. It was way hot that summer. I met a lot of families, speaking all kinds of languages. The universal language of “can you help light this BBQ” and “glad to see you” always came through. No masks. The masked people sat at home and rotted.

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        I spent the whole “lockdown” period driving around whatever dirt roads I could find (there are a lot in Oregon) and as gas stations stayed open (ESSENTIAL! although our environmental lawyer for a governor hated that) no one said a word.

      • Ted S.

        I remember taking the dog for a walk on the trails that dot the 1000 acres of state forest behind the house, no mask on because the dog was my social distancing.

        The mountain bikers were mostly nice people, but I remember one day where we came up behind a pair of walkers at a spot where there was a bit of detour off the path. On seeing me, and long before I got to within six feet of them, they got as far off the detour as they could, and made a show of pulling up their masks. Idiots.

      • Ted S.

        People who exercise have lower levels of snark? :-p

    • Rebel Scum

      Regular exercise could amplify the benefits of your next coronavirus vaccine or booster

      I don’t consider “cardiac events” to be a benefit.

    • Shiny Nerfherder

      I’m trying not to rage at the obvious statistical manipulation in that statement.

      • R C Dean

        “What is ‘absolute risk’, Alex?”

    • R C Dean

      And the control group of people who weren’t vaxxed, and either exercised or not? How does that compare?

    • Suthenboy

      *heh heh* The Washington Post you say? A gnat’s fart has more value.

    • R.J.

      I have a hat that says that.

      • Tres Cool

        I have a hat that says “Show Me Your Butthole”.
        You’d be surprised how many people take that as a dare.

      • Lackadaisical

        Any good ones? Probably all gnarly. *Shudders*

      • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

        So they point to their husband?

  23. Gustave Lytton

    next time, I’ll probably use gallon ziplock bags.

    Use something more secure, particularly for salt solution. I use ziplocks with already frozen cubes or filling with water and freezing regularly. They leak. Even the heavy duty freezer ones. Or the double zipper ones. Melted salt solution would luv the typical steel sheath of a chest freezer.

    I’d use dry ice blocks if I could get them.

    • EvilSheldon

      Propylene Glycol or Isopropyl alcohol are other options.

  24. Tres Cool

    When Ike’s flatulence hit here, I was laying in my driveway changing the speed sensor on my (at the time) girlfriend’s (OG-1X-OG) Ford Ranger. I heard the rush of wind through my neighbors fir trees. After it didnt subside, I crawled out from under the truck to see two conifers, at 45º angles. The property owners were standing nearby, and both trees snapped. A few hours later, power was out, and wasnt restored for nearly 10 days for me, tho the other side of town was in electrified comfort.
    I would come home from work and cook nearly everything on the grill- including pizza.
    The 1st morning after, it was weird driving to work through downtown Cincinnati and seeing almost no lights.

  25. Sensei

    Speaking of:

    The tunnel is so important that Amtrak warns the entire U.S. economy could be harmed if it were to unexpectedly go offline. Sandy drastically shortened the life span of what was already a nearly century-old tunnel, not designed to handle 450 trains a day.

    The saltwater residue left when Sandy’s storm surge receded is an ongoing worry 10 years later.

    But a decade after the storm, the North River Tunnel remains just as vulnerable to flooding. A $16 billion plan to repair the existing tube and build a new one won’t be complete until 2038.

    10 years after Sandy, Hudson River tunnel just as vulnerable to flooding – and a fix isn’t coming until 2038

    And if you think this will be on time or “only” $16bn I have a bridge close by that I can sell you as well. The US has the highest rail construction costs of any country in the world.

    • Lackadaisical

      Serious question… Is a bridge a better option there? And if so why aren’t they building one? Tunneling projects seem much more prone to overruns due to all the unknowns.

      • rhywun

        Maybe there is some engineering reason or there probably would have been bridges over that part of the river for a long time already.

      • Sensei

        I’m not an engineer, but the vast majority of trains can only handle very small changes in elevation. So bringing it up above where shipping comes and bringing it down quickly would likely take much more room and construction than a tunnel.

      • rhywun

        Yeah, might be looking at something like this.

        I remember traveling over that in bafflement at the time.

      • Lackadaisical

        Drawbridge or similar then. 😉

        The spiral option is funny though.

      • rhywun

        The midtown (road) tunnel does a spiral from a cliff down to under the Hudson. And it’s usually backed up for miles…

    • Zwak. who's suit is as ragged as his nerves.

      Hey, they can get all the materials sent by California’s HighSpeedRail! That will be right on time for this project.

    • R C Dean

      But a decade after the storm, the North River Tunnel remains just as vulnerable to flooding. A $16 billion plan to repair the existing tube and build a new one won’t be complete until 2038.

      Every single person involved should be fired and barred from ever doing any public works or civil engineering again.

    • Suthenboy

      “The tunnel is so important that Amtrak warns the entire U.S. economy could be harmed if it were to unexpectedly go offline.”

      That is a big ‘ole steaming pile of horseshit.

    • R C Dean

      Somebody hit the beer fridge on the way to the 3D printer.

    • The Other Kevin

      Is THAT the thing that goes up?

      • slumbrew

        Now and then. Depends on the age of the piece.

    • Shiny Nerfherder

      Testical gear

      • slumbrew

        Testi-cool.

    • Sean

      lulz

  26. Sensei

    It would seem that while the country is divided on abortion most people hold a similar position when it comes to food, clothing, gasoline and (heated) shelter.

    For some time, the party’s candidates and strategists have debated whether to hit inflation head on or to heed warnings that any shift toward an economic message would be ending the campaign on the strongest possible Republican ground. Since midsummer, when the Supreme Court repealed Roe v. Wade, Democrats had hoped that preserving the 50-year-old constitutional right to an abortion and castigating Republican extremism could get them past the worst inflation in 40 years.

    That is looking increasingly like wishful thinking.

    Fearing a New Shellacking, Democrats Rush for Economic Message

    • R.J.

      PAYWALL BAD! FIRE BAD! RAAAAGH!

      • R.J.

        Thanks for the tip. I also am on Brave.

      • Sensei

        I just block JavaScript on the NYT. Downside is no photos after the first one.

    • rhywun

      Womp, womp.

    • Suthenboy

      “preserving the 50-year-old constitutional right to an abortion”

      No such thing exists.