The Narcissistic Style in American Politics

by | Feb 6, 2025 | Media, Opinion, Politics | 112 comments

In his influential 1964 essay “The Paranoid Style in American Politics,”1 former Communist Party USA member Richard Hofstadter claimed that paranoid thinking had become a phenomenon primarily of the “right wing.” According to Hofstadter, proof could be seen in the “angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers” supporting the presidential run of that notorious firebrand Senator Barry Goldwater. Make of that what you will.

Being paranoid might be the least of Shirley Manson’s problems.

The essay was published in that November’s Harper’s Magazine, just as the Goldwater campaign against then-Vice President Lyndon Johnson was wrapping up, and Hofstadter’s rambling piece was intended to show that the “anti-Communist movement,” which was strongly supported by Goldwater, was based on conspiratorial fantasy. Oddly, Hofstadter neglected to mention the assassination of President John F. Kennedy that was then spawning an industry of paranoid theories from the Left blaming Right-wing conspiracies for the murder.

Sixty years later, an honest observer would have to admit that there is still plenty of the “paranoid style” across the political spectrum. Unfortunately, a big problem is that there simply aren’t enough honest observers across the political spectrum. Instead, our political discussions seem to be dominated by a collection of narcissists, people for whom honesty is too often an impediment. Indeed, narcissism might be a personality trait more generally damaging to the body politic than paranoia, and definitely one less understood by the general public.

Now, we should be cautious when discussing mental conditions such as narcissism. Hofstadter was careful to mention that he wasn’t “using the expression ‘paranoid style’… in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes.” Even he realized that it can be dangerous and dishonest to claim that political differences are a mark of mental illness. A magazine survey of mental health “experts” during the 1964 election prompted psychiatry to adopt the “Goldwater Rule,” named after Barry Goldwater, which forbids psychiatrists from diagnosing public figures.2 That said, this piece will take a bit more liberty, as this author isn’t a psychiatrist or psychologist3 or mental health professional of any stripe. In fact, there will be some admitted blurring between the clinical definition and the general definition.

As a brief “thumbnail sketch,” narcissism4 is an overly strong regard for yourself and your own interests. Of course, we should all have a strong sense of ourselves and our needs. It’s when that sense becomes extreme that it becomes narcissism. Even then, while narcissism is generally perceived as entirely negative, some sources argue that narcissism can be healthy in moderation.5 As with most behaviors or personality traits, the level is on a spectrum, and becomes more of a problem when we do something excessively, causing harm to ourselves or other, that it becomes a personality disorder. In the case of narcissism, the severe form is known as narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is defined in the APA’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), which is the industry’s “bible” of when a personality trait becomes a personality disorder6. The latest version, DSM-5 lists the following behaviors as signs of having narcissistic personality disorder:7

Narcissistic personality disorder involves a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy. Those with narcissistic personality disorder may

  • Have a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents).
  • Be preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
  • Believe that they are “special” and can only be understood by other special or high-status people.
  • Require excessive admiration.
  • Have a sense of entitlement (i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment).
  • Take advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends.
  • Lack empathy: or is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
  • Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of them.
  • Show arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.

In other words, a person with narcissistic personality disorder believes that he or she, or “they”, is fundamentally better than other people; more attractive, more humorous, more intelligent, more knowledgeable, more worthy. Conversely, the person also has an underlying sense of doubt, fear and unworthiness. These elements combine into a toxic person who doesn’t feel empathy for others, will lie, cheat and steal to maintain their inflated self-image and will also overreact to any slight that might harm their ego. Often, this will include belittling and degrading other people in order to increase the narcissist’s sense of self-worth.

Of course, human psychology isn’t an exact science, so there are plenty of nuances. Narcissistic personality disorder is grouped with similar conditions known as “Cluster B personality disorders,” which includes antisocial, borderline and histrionic personality disorders. In some people, one or more of these conditions might overlap, confounding ready diagnosis, particularly when we’re considering people that we’ve never met.

With mental disorders, often the prevalence of the illness is a question. For NPD, estimates range from .05% to 6% of the general population. So, if you meet 100 people, perhaps three of them will have narcissistic personality disorder, but you will probably never know it. Narcissists usually make every effort to come across as normal, or even charming when you first meet them. Again, this is a person who wants to be admired, so they understand how to manipulate you into admiring them. It usually takes repeated exposure to a person before you would possibly notice that they exhibit narcissistic behaviors. Since many people don’t think in terms of, or may not be aware of, narcissistic personality disorder, it’s possible to be married to someone with NPD for years before realizing their true nature.

Although the prevalence of NPD is up to 6%, consider that people with an insatiable desire to be admired gravitate to careers where they will be admired. Sure, Glibertarians rightly regard the political class as con artists leeching off of decent hard-working citizens, but many people still view politics as a glamorous business, thus the arena of politicians and political pundits may have a higher ratio of narcissists.

This means that those of us who follow political matters will see narcissistic behaviors frequently. President Donald Trump has often been accused of narcissism, and former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan has made that claim.8 The allegation has even prompted debate about the continued viability of the Goldwater rule.9 Is it more noble to have principles or to demonstrate hatred of Trump?

Yes, President Trump absolutely exhibits some of the narcissistic traits. He is legendary for his grandiose proclamations that everything in which he is involved is the absolute best, even when it’s demonstrably false. You may have also noticed that he will offer high praise for new subordinates, only to dismiss and disparage them just months later. This doesn’t necessarily mean that Trump has NPD, and one of the men who literally “helped write the book” has argued that he doesn’t.10 This author leans more toward the former camp than the latter, and but remains open to other interpretations of Trump’s sometimes unpredictable actions.

Whether Trump is, or isn’t, a narcissist, it’s funny to see the charge lodged solely at him, when it seems likely that at least a few former Presidents were narcissists. JFK would certainly qualify, along with Bill Clinton. Now-former President Joe Biden clearly demonstrates many of the narcissistic traits. Biden’s life is a filled with episodes of plagiarism11 and self-aggrandizing or manipulative lies, such as the claim that his first wife was killed by a drunk driver, when there’s absolutely no proof that the driver had been drinking.12 Remember the petty rage he would demonstrate when his actions or ideas would be challenged?

Once you become attuned to the signs of true narcissism, you’ll see the hallmarks in many places. If you’ve spent any time on 𝕏witter, you may notice indicators from people you follow. You’ll often see people who post self-important messages all day long yet lash out viciously when they receive any pushback. Perhaps that billionaire who posts self-congratulatory messages around the clock has narcissistic tendencies? Certainly the expletive-filled rants against even mild criticism could hint at that. Perhaps, that famous cartoonist, who seems to think that he is the smartest person on 𝕏, could be a narcissist? Not admitting to any error could be a sign of that. Maybe, that “mean girl” reporter who delighted in punishing anonymous people and stormed off to Bluesky could be a narcissist? Well, yeah, that was pretty much a given.

As mentioned previously, it’s important not to attribute all political differences to mental illness, but it’s crucial to not ignore the possibility. Accept the fact that a small number of people who run your country are complete narcissists. Accept the fact that a portion of the people that you’re arguing with online are narcissists, and any effort to sway them is wasted. Like, The Terminator, a narcissist can’t be bargained with. “It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear.”13

At the same time, be filled with hope. The majority of people probably don’t have mental disorders, be it narcissism or any other condition. Other people are just like you, trying to figure things out in the most rational way that they know or understand. There’s most likely hope that you can bring them around to your way of thinking.

  1. https://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics ↩︎
  2. https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2016.9a19 ↩︎
  3. https://medschool.ucla.edu/news-article/psychologist-vs-psychiatrist-what-is-the-difference ↩︎
  4. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/narcissism ↩︎
  5. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/contemporary-psychoanalysis-in-action/201609/what-is-healthy-narcissism ↩︎
  6. https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm ↩︎
  7. https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/what-is-narcissistic-personality-disorder ↩︎
  8. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/13/paul-ryan-trump-populist-authoritarian-narcissist-00131675 ↩︎
  9. https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/health/trump-mental-illness-professionals-question-goldwater-rule/index.html ↩︎
  10. https://www.statnews.com/2017/09/06/donald-trump-mental-illness-diagnosis ↩︎
  11. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/trump-campaign-press-release-copy-that-joe-bidens-long-record-plagiarism ↩︎
  12. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/driver-in-biden-crash-wanted-name-cleared ↩︎
  13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcPeTeTBqHE&t=87s ↩︎

About The Author

Atreides

Atreides

Atreides is The One True Libertarian, as foretold in the (possibly apocryphal) tome, Tax Collectors of Dune. -------------------- "My father once told me that respect for the truth comes close to being the basis for all morality. 'Something cannot emerge from nothing,' he said. This is profound thinking if you understand how unstable 'the truth' can be." - from "Conversations with Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan -- Dune by Frank Herbert

112 Comments

  1. Common Tater

    Paranoia and narcissism seem to be two sides of the same coin — thinking they are so significant there is a conspiracy out to get them.

    • Ted S.

      No one cares, Margaret.

    • SarumanTheGreat

      Paranoia and narcissism seem to be two sides of the same coin”

      Not convinced. I’m paranoid (but not personally), but I’m not narcissistic, and I know no one’s out to get me (except for that blonde bitch Galadriel).

      I think paranoids are often self-doubters, and many narcissists lack the self-awareness to be paranoid.

      But that’s just my opinion.

      • Suthenboy

        Being paranoid does not mean they are not out to get. you.

    • Atreides

      There are certainly some similarities. I tend to think of paranoia as thinking everyone is out to get you and narcissism is thinking that everyone wants to be you. Both rely on the mistaken notion that other people are thinking more about you than themselves.

      • Common Tater

        Yes, they both have an inflated sense of self-importance.

        I don’t think either apply in Trump’s case. He’s the POTUS and the most famous person in the world, and people actually were out to get him in reality.

      • R C Dean

        “Well, he’s not wrong.”

      • Suthenboy

        “If you knew how much other people think of you you would be surprised how little that is.” – Sam Clemons

        Surprisingly other people have their own lives which absorbs as much of their attention as yours does for you.

      • Atreides

        That looks like a great read, JI. If I understand the gist correctly, I can certainly see how narcissism, which has always existed, has been allowed to flourish in American society since the 1960s. There are fewer and fewer people standing athwart misbehavior, yelling “Stop.”

  2. Toxteth O'Grady

    Presence of five of the nine traits constitutes an NPD diagnosis, IIRC.

    • Atreides

      Thanks for the comment, Toxteth. I believe that you are correct.
      For the article, I didn’t want to get into the difficulties of getting a diagnosis or treatment for someone with NPD. Obviously, these are the types of people who would be angry that you would suggest that they are defective in any way, so the idea that they would need treatment for being so awesome is a tough sell.

    • Yusef drives a Kia

      Hey! Thats me!

  3. R.J.

    I believe you cannot succeed in politics without some narcissistic traits. It’s part of being able to promote yourself on a large stage. It’s when it totally takes you over that there is a major problem. Like good ol’ Joe. I don’t think he could ever tell the truth. Trump gets a break this term because he somehow turned into a magic wrecking ball beyond my wildest dreams.

    • Nephilium

      I’d lean more towards sociopathic tendencies than narcissistic, but I think that’s a matter of degree.

      • R C Dean

        I think sociopathy (viewing other people as resources to be used for your benefit) and narcissism kinda go hand in hand.

      • Atreides

        I know that Jordan Peterson has often discussed the Dark Triad. The Dark Triad concept groups narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy as interrelated negative behaviors where there is often considerable overlap.

      • rhywun

        Reading this, I was wondering what is the difference between the two.

      • Nephilium

        rhywun:

        They’re generally fairly closely linked. Narcissism is the belief that you are special and better than others, as Atreides wrote out above. Sociopathy is more lack of empathy and/or treating other people as people, instead treating them as objects to be manipulated.

        What was it that Granny Weatherwax had said once? “Evil starts when you begin to treat people as things”. And right now it would happen if you thought there was a thing called a father, and a thing called a mother, and a thing called a daughter, and a thing called a cottage, and told yourself that if you put them all together you had a thing called a happy family.

        –PTerry, I Shall Wear Midnight

      • Jarflax

        I believe it is the dark tetrad now, they separated out sadism as a separate trait.

    • Atreides

      Absolutley, R.J. Believing that you can enter the arena of politics to help change the world certainly requires an belief in oneself that most of us don’t have. As they say, dose makes the poison. Some people can use a little bit of narcissism to help the rest of us. Other people are true narcissists who can only see the rest of as as means to their ends. The trouble is in being able to know which is which.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Sociopaths are even worse, and psychopaths worse still.

  4. R C Dean

    “there is still plenty of the “paranoid style” across the political spectrum”

    + 1 conspiracy theory

    Of course, post 01/06 and with the ongoing DOGE revelations, it’s getting harder to say there’s no basis for paranoia. Turns out, they really are out to get us, amirite?

    *adjusts lead foil hat, because tin foil is for poseurs*

    • EvilSheldon

      Paranoia isn’t thinking that everyone is out to get you. That’s just reality.

      Paranoia is thinking that everyone is working together to get you. Which also may be true…

  5. EvilSheldon

    I think that it’s important to note the difference between 1.) not having empathy, and 2.) having empathy and using it in an exploitative manner.

    A complete lack of empathy in a person is going to be immediately obvious to others. Being the only real soul in an ocean of puppets (apologies to John Camp) is not something you can hide from others. Lack of empathy is often (not always) correlated with low intelligence – I suspect that Kamela Harris is probably a good example.

    Spies, interrogators, and confidence men all have highly developed senses of empathy. It’s not all about nice feels. I suspect, based on some third-hand reports, that Donald Trump is in fact highly empathic, and that he uses this talent mostly to get what he wants. See also, Bill Clinton.

    • Drake

      The difference between Bill and Hillary Clinton.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        Someone like Katharine Hepburn — merely bossy and self-centered but not exploitative — I might call a benign narcissist, if that’s not a contradiction in terms.

        I consider Lucy van Pelt the fictional epitome of a narcissist (the football yanking might even be sociopathic). Poor Linus, Snoopy, Charlie Brown, and Sparky.

  6. Drake

    Speaking of paranoia.

    The Senate just delayed the vote on FBI Director for a week so docs can be shredded.

  7. Atreides

    A hearty thank you to Tonio for his generous assistance in publishing this piece. I’m thrilled to actually be able to contribute to the Glibertarian community, and I couldn’t have done it without him.

    • EvilSheldon

      It was a good article. Also, I’m a sucker for Glibs articles with footnotes…

      • kinnath

        I shall remember that.

      • Nephilium

        Once More*.

        *With Footnotes

      • Atreides

        I appreciate the kind words, EvilSheldon.
        The idea of being that much of a narcissist is so foreign to me that I felt I had to have footnotes or people would think I’m making some of it up.

    • ron73440

      Thanks for writing this, I don’t think politics is attractive to anyone that’s not narcissistic on some level.

      • Drake

        Certainly not as a career.

    • Nephilium

      Welcome to the party Atreides. Enjoy the praise and love heaped upon you by the commenters, forgive them when they go off topic, and keep providing content to the grist mill.

      • Atreides

        Thanks, Nephilium. I’m pleased to be in such august company as yourself.

        I assume that the keys to the executive washroom at Glibertarians HQ should arrive shortly.

      • Nephilium

        Atredies:

        Not sure how I rate as august, hell, new contributors are rarer around here than I am. 🙂

      • R C Dean

        Just remember, when you’re using the Glibs washroom:

        Don’t drop the soap.

  8. Raven Nation

    “that at least a few former Presidents were narcissists.”

    President Obama has entered the chat.

    • juris imprudent

      [but he was unable to elbow his way to the front row]

    • rhywun

      Yeah, he immediately came to mind. His pic should accompany the textbook definition.

    • Atreides

      Oh, yeah, Obama is the quintessential example.

      A young gal named Hillary Clinton wasn’t far from my mind, either.

      • Toxteth O'Grady

        I rewatched Election the other night. Man, is HRC a Tracy Flick and vice versa. Most of the characters except the jock are deliciously loathsome.

    • juris imprudent

      What, he just ignored William Jennings Bryan’s entire existence?

      • Raven Nation

        Read his chapter on Bryan in “The American Political Tradition and the Men Who Made It.” It’s titled “The Democrat as Revivalist.”

    • Atreides

      Thanks, Raven Nation. I had almost thought about splitting this into two articles, with the first being about Richard Hofstadter and the discussion of “The Paranoid Style in American Politics,” which continues to this day.

      • Raven Nation

        You’re welcome.

        I will say there is an increasing understanding among historians that conspiracy/paranoia can be found across the political spectrum. That idea hasn’t made it”s way to the journalists yet.

  9. juris imprudent

    From the ded-thred, creech’s Fellowship and accepting some degree of corruption and inefficiency (which are not really related).

    You missed the chance to respond – just how much cancer can you accept before it becomes a health concern?

    • Drake

      Elon and others on X today speculating as whether the entire budget deficit is waste and fraud.

    • creech

      That’s one reason to be here: you all have different and perhaps more effective ways to make the case. We all can learn from and teach each other.

    • kinnath

      My wife got written up for telling a younger co-worker to grow up an put her big girl panties on.

      We are getting tired of these aging children.

      • Drake

        Have it framed and hang it on the office wall.

      • R.J.

        Oh, absolutely.

      • ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

        I remember the union I was in for the phone company grieving a manager for exactly that.

        I still refused to sign on to that grievance and thought it BS.

  10. The Late P Brooks

    I had a roommate a long time ago who, I finally decided, thought he would disappear if there was no one in the room with him to celebrate his existence. Is that a form of narcissism?

    • Atreides

      Sure sounds like it, TLPB. Dealing with a serious narcissist can be exhausting, because they think that your only purpose is to reflect their own glory back at them.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Solipsism? I had that around age 7. But I decided to give others the benefit of doubt and assume that they do exist.

  11. Suthenboy

    Speaking of blurring lines: I see a lot of criticism of American politics and politicians, which is healthy. However there is more than a little bit of it based on the implied premise that criticism of us means other places/people.cultures are better. They are not. They are exponentially worse than we are. One of the reasons for that is that criticism of their systems and leaders is mostly forbidden. That ‘hate speech is not free speech’ mentality.
    My recommendation is to double down on the criticism of our own. Keep the crucible hot.

    If you want to know who to set your sights on at the moment just look to see who is screaming the loudest about the trough being drained. If they are losing their shit over the prospect of having their books opened we definitely need to open their books. As mentioned earlier the time for a scalpel is past. We need an axe.

    The Goldwater rule was instituted for a good reason; to avoid judging too hastily or incorrectly giving poor practical outcomes. Worth noting that that rule was dispensed with the second Trump came on the scene. He threatened to ‘drain the swamp’ and was deemed crazy by half of the mental health profession. Add to that the pass given to us by Mike Godwin on Godwin’s law with regard to Trump. The height of irony in my opinion.

    These aren’t subtle clues or even red flags. They are marching bands playing the doom music from your favorite horror movie with the volume turned up to eleventy!!.

    • R C Dean

      “We need an axe.”

      The guillotine was adopted by the French because it is faster and more efficient.

      Jus’ sayin’.

      • Jarflax

        The crucifix is more salutary, also jus’ sayin’

  12. Richard

    Apropos of nothing, here’s something I composed as part of an e-mail this morning:

    Subject: Happy Spring!

    For one definition of “Spring”.

    I’ve always thought it silly that the seasons start when they do. Winter starts on the shortest day of the year? What sense does that make? In my mind there are two separate sets of seasons and they start one and half months offset from the calendar seasons.

    The first are the temperature seasons. The three months of Summer are centered on the warmest day of the year and the three months of Winter are centered on the coldest day of the year. Spring and Fall are the transitional seasons. In the U.S. the warmest day of the year is July 15-31:

    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/if-things-go-%E2%80%9Cnormal%E2%80%9D-most-us-locations-will-have-their-hottest-day

    Which puts the coldest day January 15-31. The middle day of this range is the 23rd. So Summer starts 1.5 months before July 23rd and Winter starts 1.5 months before January 23rd, or June 8 and December 8 so:

    Summer: Jun 8 – Sep 8
    Fall: Sep 8 – Dec 8
    Winter: Dec 8 – Mar 8
    Spring: Mar 8 – Jun 8

    School should start the first day of Fall. Sugaring roughly starts the first day of Spring. The Village Winter overnight roadside parking ban should be during the Winter.

    The second set of seasons are the daylight seasons centered on the longest and shortest days. This is how people with adjustable solar panels naturally think of seasons. Summer starts 1.5 months before June 21 and Winter starts 1.5 months before December 21 so:

    Summer: May 6 – Aug 6
    Fall: Aug 6 – Nov 6
    Winter: Nov 6 – Feb 6
    Spring: Feb 6 – May 6

    So happy daylight Spring! Time to set the PV array angle to the location’s latitude.

    • The Bearded Hobbit

      Richard,

      I wrote up a poorly-recieved article on this very subject several years ago. Makes no sense that Jun 20th is not summer but Jun 22nd is.

      I advocate for your second example.

      • Richard

        You know, as I was cut-and-pasting I was thinking “This seems familiar. Didn’t someone already do this?” I’m glad my memory still extends years back, however vaguely.

    • R C Dean

      I appreciate the spurious accuracy of going with the 6th or 8th days of the month, rather than the first.

  13. Suthenboy

    Something else to keep in mind: The ‘Those darned kids today’ phenomena. Things in front of your nose right now always seem worse or more severe than things in the past or future.
    It has always been crazy like this but something about this time feels very different. Trump really is a once in a lifetime phenomena. I never saw it coming. I never paid much attention to the guy or cared much. My first knowledge of him was his divorce with Ivanka. That was all over the news everywhere and I thought ‘So what?’. Now look where we are.

    • kinnath

      All because Obama insulted him at a White House Correspondents dinner

      • Common Tater

        Thanks, Obama!

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Me either.

      (Ivana, RIP, was the first wife.)

    • Nephilium

      I feel like this is right up your alley Suthenboy.

  14. Suthenboy

    “Of course, human psychology isn’t an exact science”

    *snicker*

    Yeah, that’s one way to put it.

    • Atreides

      You know it, Suthen.
      I actually expected a bit more pushback from this group about the aspect of psychology / psychiatry in this article. I just regard them as rough approximations of what we think we can know about human behavior.

  15. Suthenboy

    Forensic psychology class, day one: There is no bright line that one must cross. Every person exhibits some of these traits to some extent or other. It is not a matter of being crazy or not crazy, it is a matter of degree.

    *Class over. I pick up my stuff and walk straight to my advisor’s office to change my major to Chemistry/Biology. Now there is something I can get my teeth into. *

  16. LCDR_Fish

    Dumb question…but if I had a second fridge available for beer – don’t think it’s very fancy. Is it better to keep it slightly warmer for some types of beers or on the colder end…admittedly I could probably chill some glasses too.

    • LCDR_Fish

      Out of lagers, stouts, belgians, etc…Don’t drink room temp…but should I stay above a certain temp? My fridge in my old house was around 36 or 38.

    • kinnath

      https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/proper-beer-serving-temperatures/

      Beer Suggested Temperature
      American Mainstream Light Lagers 33° – 40° F
      Pale Lagers, Pilsners 38° – 45° F
      Cream & Blonde Ales 40° – 45° F
      Nitro Stouts 40° – 45° F
      Belgian Pale Ales, Abbey Tripels 40° – 45° F
      Wheat Beers 40° – 50° F
      Lambics 40° – 50° F
      Dark Lagers 45° – 50° F
      American Pale Ales & IPAs 45° – 50° F
      Stouts, Porters 45° – 55° F
      Strong Lagers 50° – 55° F
      Real & Cask Ales 50° – 55° F
      Belgian Dubbels 50° – 55° F

      • kinnath

        If you’re trying to reuse a kitchen fridge, I’d shoot for temps in the low 40s. You can keep your lagers/pilsners in the regular fridge.

        If you are buying new. Pick up a multi-zone wine cooler. Shoot for low/mid 40s and low/mid 50s in different zones.

      • LCDR_Fish

        Thanks. The place I plan to lease – hopefully signing tomorrow and moving next Wed has a “European” size fridge, but I should be able to get a normal US size loaner fridge for the duration of my tour.

      • kinnath

        You are welcome

      • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

        I prefer my blondes warmer.

    • Nephilium

      I’d recommend against the frozen/chilled glassware for beer. A quick water rinse is the only thing a clean glass should need. Also, keep in mind that if the beer is too cold, it’ll warm up on it’s own, but if it’s too warm, there’s not an easy way to drop the temperature.

      And there are no dumb questions, just inquisitive idiots. 🙂

      • LCDR_Fish

        My aunt uses the cold glasses, but I’ve never latched onto them myself…

  17. Jarflax

    Hmm, Narcissism… adopting Space Messiah as avatar…;)

    • Atreides

      The Spice has given me special insight beyond the understanding of mere mortals.

      • Nephilium

        That seems like a real case of special pleading there…

      • Jarflax

        It does that, usually in between the munchies and the paranoia.

      • R.J.

        I find an Old Fashioned works for me. Especially if it’s during happy hour or complimentary.

  18. ZWAK, doktor of BRAIN SCIENCE!

    The Goldwater Rule, as I recall, was for professionals who would diagnose a public figure that they had never met. And in doing so, were giving a bad name to the practice of psychiatry. And this is a lesson that should be shared by everyone. We all love to see a person who advocates for practices that we don’t like be diagnosed as narcissistic, psychotic, sociopathic, when the reality is that we just do not share the priors that have described their life experiences that led them to that point. And this includes calling someone stupid, of which I am extremely guilty of.

    Good article, lots to think about.

    • Suthenboy

      Worth noting that EVERYTHING you see regarding politics is theater. What the pols do and say is all an act. Making judgements about them based on what you see is…..aww fuck it. They are sociopaths.

      • R.J.

        Reminds me of the Slam Bang theater that was on when I was a kid. Only now they steal half of my money and don’t make me laugh.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7RRyz95DCV0

      • Suthenboy

        Half? You better check again.

  19. R C Dean

    “prompted psychiatry to adopt the “Goldwater Rule,” named after Barry Goldwater, which forbids psychiatrists from diagnosing public figures”

    Which was an excellent passive-aggressive way to call Goldwater (and by extension his supporters) paranoid.

  20. LCDR_Fish

    Adam Carolla has talked a LOT about narcissism and narcissistic personalities the last few years – especially on his podcast with Dr. Drew. You can definitely see a lot of that in politicians in CA, etc.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      Dr. Drew blames the French Revolution.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      OT: I hope you’ll have an excursion to Pompeii soon.

      • LCDR_Fish

        Maybe in a month or two – once things get settled down and get regular – I’ll start making more regular plans/trips in the area. A lot of the guys I work with – given our watch schedule travel pretty regularly – so it’s definitely something to look forward to. Being here 2.5+ yrs gives a nice cushion.

      • JaimeRoberto (carnitas/spicy salsa)

        While you’re in the area, go see Santorini before it blows up.

  21. Suthenboy

    Oh, I nearly forgot….*goes over list of symptoms again*….my grandiose fantasy is to build a library. A very special library. It would only take a measly few billion to complete. It will have zero statues of me and my name wont be on it anywhere. Athena, Thomas Sowell, Socrates and a few others on the other hand….

  22. Not Adahn

    I had a fraternity brother with a gf who looked exactly like Shirley Manson. I may have been jealous.

    • R.J.

      That’s better than looking like Charles Manson.

    • Atreides

      1990s Shirley surely had a dangerous charm to her. You could just never be sure whether she was going to cut herself or you.

    • EvilSheldon

      Not only was Shirley Manson an absolute stunner, but Version 2.0 was one of those perfect-but-underrated mid-career alternative albums (see also Recovering the Satellites and Secret Samehdi) that I was too stupid to appreciate when they came out. Push It and Supervixen are regulars on my USPSA ‘pump it up to burn it down’ playlist.

  23. Toxteth O'Grady

    TOG’s experienced advice on dealing with narcissists:

    Try not to provoke their temper. Flatter them as much as you can stand to.
    Try not to be dependent on one.
    Try not to be related to one.

    • Toxteth O'Grady

      “What makes you think this post is about you?”

    • Atreides

      Once you understand the nature of narcissists, it does become easier to avoid them. Unfortunately, I think most of us only realize that someone is a narcissist after dealing with them for a long time, or, for some of us, dealing with them our whole lives. But, that’s a story for another day.

  24. Fourscore

    Interesting but trying to describe a spectrum with discrete words is always going to be tough.

    “Is it narcissism or schizophrenia?” Even schizophrenia has subdivisions and psychiatrists will disagree on a particular person’s diagnosis.

    Like pornography, I know it when I see it.