Adios, Spuds.
Well, the US named its USMNT for Qatar. I hope they enjoy their three games in the gulf with that squad. I really don’t know what the hell else is happening in sports, so aside from that, I wish Spuds, Arsenal, and Chelski all farewell from the League Cup. You had a nice 90 minute run, guys. And now on to…the links!
How is this legal? Did she deserve to be expelled? Yes. Does she deserve to be ridiculed? Yes. Should she be prosecuted for biting someone? Yes. But how can they ban her from public property? I’d think that’s a gross overreach.
Get a real job, dummy.
Then maybe it’s time to do something else with your life. Like becoming productive enough that you realize there are much more important things in life than being a pain in the ass to people trying to live theirs.
This is something interesting, and debate worthy, that happened in the midterms. I’ve never really given it much thought until now, and I’d be curious how you guys feel about it.
::shrugs:: Oh well. Welcome back to reality, people. Godspeed.
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This was the greatest thing I’ve ever seen on live tv. Well, the greatest non-sports thing anyway. If you missed it, I highly recommend finding and watching it. It was freaking amazing.
Won’t somebody think of the poor policemen? Here’s an idea:if you’re a cop and you’re crazy…then quit. You shouldn’t be a cop.
This should be getting a lot of the tech news today. Not just the other guy culling the dead wood.
What a salty asshole. I look forward to her impending indictment (following the of three staffers). This woman is a Fetterman- or Walker-level idiot.
Love these guys. And that song in particular. And this one even more. Such a polished, clean sound. Enjoy the trip down electronic memory lane.
And enjoy this lovely Thursday, friends.
I guess you could rationalize it as a condition of release in the same way they make convicted kiddie diddlers live XYZ feet from a school or whatever. Although the public interest in making sure people don’t diddle kids seems quite a bit more compelling than the public interest in making sure people don’t say the N word.
I’d go so far as to argue there is no public interest in forbidding the use of words.
I could think of potential edge cases, like someone convicted of rioting being barred from public demonstrations, but in this case, yeah, it seems overdone.
It’s not public property like a street or a park. A school has a complex function, and people pay lots of money to go to that school.
I’d agree, in the case of academic buildings or dormitories. The streets and sidewalks and any other common areas serve no specific function.
“Sticks and stones”
A word is so dangerous it cannot be said? MotherF…….!
There are a lot of words I don’t use because they don’t fit he situation but nonetheless they are still only words.
Whatever happened to “Thems’ fightin’ words”? And then getting it on?
I’d generally agree, although if you’ve got a history of harassing someone, for example, I’m OK with restraining orders that make you stay XYZ feet away from that person. If I followed somebody around screaming obscenities all day, it wouldn’t physically harm them, but could very easily become so disruptive to theirs and others’ lives that constraining my free speech rights might be in order so that everyone else can exercise their own rights.
In this case I was merely thinking of what legal justification might be used to impose that sentence, not necessarily whether it’s an appropriate sentence to impose.
She (allegedly) committed a battery against the RA. It’s not unusual for students accused of violent crimes to be trespassed from campus until the case is resolved.
I’m okay with this because she seems like a menace.
This is something interesting, and debate worthy, that happened in the midterms. I’ve never really given it much thought until now, and I’d be curious how you guys feel about it.
At least people have to be found guilty of crime to be subject to involuntary servitude. Unlike men subjected to the draft, despite the 13th amendment.
If there weren’t so many crimes on the books these days, I’d be willing to consider it as an option.
As things stand, allowing involuntary servitude as a punishment opens the door far too wide.
Or corveé. No state still uses it, but SCOTUS has never found it violates the constitution.
Or jury service.
Locking black people up and forcing them to work without pay seems like terrible optics.
But yeah, almost any form of forced labor, whether in prisons, community service, the draft, or jury service is the government saying they own you, which on philosophical grounds I consider repugnant and wrong.
I would make an exception for something like making a graffiti artist paint over their art, since then you’re trying to make the victim whole.
Fining someone forces most people to work to pay it off, but at least you can choose what kind of labor to perform.
“Here’s an idea:if you’re a cop and you’re crazy…then quit. You shouldn’t be a cop.”
That would lead to a massive cop shortage. How about having fewer laws?
Fewer laws?! Are you mad? That would lead to anarchy, anarchy and chaos!!!!111!!
Seriously though it would lead to law and order. Cops spend around 50% of their time on drugs.
Nice work if you can get it.
Too much money involved for the mandarinate to even consider scaling back laws.
Are you filling in for Alex? 😉
Somebody has to step up!
Hear hear!
I really think that there should be a hard limit on how long a person can be a cop. I think it takes a psychological toll over time such that it’s not reasonable to expect anyone to maintain an objective, even-handed mentality, assuming they had it in the first place. Work 10 years or so and go do something that has a brighter outlook.
Meh, there’s cops and there’s cops. In my sleepy suburb where they are called for drunk drivers and the occasional domestic dispute it doesn’t take that much of a toll. Plus, it’s the youngin’s full of piss and vinegar that wanna crack skulls.
Same amount of laws, just defund the police. – Big brain thinking
There is no such thing as public property. There is property the use and access to which is controlled by government officials, but that’s not the same thing.
I think involuntary servitude as a punishment is actually a good idea in some cases and probably preferable to our other incarceration methods both as a deterrent and for the criminal undergoing the punishment/reform. Having a good think on what you did while digging some ditches doesn’t seem any worse to me than wiling away the years lifting weights, shivving rival racial gang members, and making toilet wine.
I could see it if it was instead of incarceration. From what I understand, most states use it in addition to incarceration.
If restitution was the goal, then I could potentially see it. But that’s not how our current system works.
I meant in the context of it taking place during incarceration, not in place of. Idle hands and all that. Bearing in mind I’m not talking about using it as a punishment for traffic tickets. Leaving it on the table I’m fine with. Sending you to prison to mentally and physically rot staring at 4 walls is arguably crueler in ways than putting you to work 8-10 hours a day.
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I was expecting a clip from Cool Hand Luke, but this is even better.
I have no issue offering the option of voluntarily doing work, job training, schooling and the like in prison while incarcerated, I’m not a fan of making it mandatory. Especially since some of the jobs people were sent on were items like forest fire details.
California prisoner firefighter positions are some of the most coveted slots in the penal system of that state. There are only so many, and they always fill up.
It gives these guys a chance to be outside, and they all want that, seemingly.
I think offering people in prison the opportunity to volunteer to do jobs to make the time pass quicker, is entirely different than forcing them to do work not of their choosing.
Question for you: Say I was a nonviolent drug offender serving a two year prison sentence. At the time of conviction involuntary servitude was never mentioned or specified as a condition for release at the end of my sentence. I go to prison, am told I must perform manual labor against my will, I refuse.
What should happen to me? Solitary confinement? Open-ended term in prison until I basically perform slave labor?
If involuntary servitude was not specified as part of your sentence, then I’d hope your lawyer would sue the government into oblivion and make them comply with the terms they stated when they convicted you of a crime and sentenced you to punishment. Obviously you shouldn’t be able to change the terms of the sentence after the fact.
lawyer would sue the government into oblivion
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I know, I know, but that’s the way it’s *supposed* to work.
I’m genuinely curious just how many people on The Chain Gang are there despite the fact such terms weren’t stated. I have absolutely zero idea but my gut tells me it’s a healthy percentage. My guess is many prisoners wouldn’t even think to ask about or question it.
Here in NJ we it’s not uncommon to see gangs of inmates in vests cleaning up trash along the highways.
60 years ago I would see low level prisoners, in the striped uniforms, cleaning ditches (pick and shovel) behind my house in Augusta, GA. Were accompanied by a shot gun toting guard.
I will one-up you all.
I used to be a carney, and we actually had prisoners helping us setup/breakdown our stuff at one of the localities we had an event for.
Really makes you question your life choices.
That gets into the discussion MikeS and I periodically do. Those are not crimes, and nobody should be in jail for that.
Yeah, if there’s no victim, there’s no crime.
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Granted, but that’s not reality at the moment.
As I understand it, the prisoner has a choice between working and spending their day in a cell. Most choose to work, just to have something to do.
As long as it’s a choice, I have no problem with it. Though I do wonder how much pressure is applied by the prison system to do so.
Restricted access to commissary and a few extra cell checks now and then as a start wouldn’t surprise me.
Perhaps my initial comment should have contained the SLD, but I figured it would be superfluous. That’s what I meant when I said “Bearing in mind I’m not talking about using it as a punishment for traffic tickets.” But if you’ve committed a legitimate harmed-another-person crime and been convicted of it on good evidence, I really don’t have a major problem with the state making you go clean up road kill at 6 in the morning as part of your punishment. When I was a kid there were “go to your room” infractions and “you’re getting extra chores” infractions. I see it pretty much the same way.
Okay, I’ll throw out the BS sentences and focus on prisoners who either committed acts of violence, theft or property damage. Again I ask these questions: What if I refuse to do the labor? What consequences should I suffer?
I’m not necessarily defending those prisoners here, just don’t know what you think should be done to them if they refuse to work when manual labor wasn’t specified as a condition of imprisonment during sentencing.
If manual labor wasn’t specified as a condition of imprisonment, then an inmate shouldn’t face any punishment at all for refusing to work, because the state shouldn’t be able to impose additional conditions on a sentence after the fact. If manual labor was handed down to you as part of your sentence during the sentencing phase of your trial (or perhaps if the sentence included language allowing the prison administration to impose such a condition), then if you refuse to comply with those conditions I suppose you should probably get suspended privileges, or perhaps time added to your sentence, something along those lines.
I won’t buy Prison Blues and it’s continued existence disgusts me.
From what I’ve seen, being on work details is generally considered a privileges that inmates desire. It’s restricted to those with good records, maybe gets them outside in the sun, and money for commissary. There probably are exceptions to this though.
Norway has a very interesting prison system that stresses rehabilitation instead of punishment. I don’t agree with the philosophy behind it, but it’s still very interesting. Prisoners, even in max security, are all encouraged to learn a skilled trade (chef, mechanic, carpentry, etc). There’s even a recording studio onsite for training sound engineers. The guards sit and talk with the prisoners, play chess with them, etc. The commissary sells raw ingredients and the cell kitchens have knives, stoves, etc. for them to cook with.
I’ve long thought our system should have tiers – first level, very focused on rehab of offender; second tier, rehab and restitution; third tier – you obviously ain’t getting it, so fuck you. The worst feature of our prison system is general population mixing hard cases with minimal offenders.
Definitely agree with this. If you were actually trying to concoct a method of turning a wayward but redeemable person into an irredeemable monster, you couldn’t do too much better than locking them in a cage with a bunch of irredeemable monsters. Survival in that situation just about requires you to become as bad as the guy next to you.
I had to think about this. It comes back to classifying victimless actions as crimes. Would there be any tier one offenders if the only crimes were against life, liberty or property ? Maybe a little if there were tiers for theft of property.
I agree the mixing is big problem. I’m a bit radical in that I don’t think jails or prisons should really even exist other than for very temporary holding during a trial. First, remove all victimless crimes. Non-violent criminals and minor crimes of violence receive corporal punishment and pay restitution. Crimes like rape (real rape, not 1 in 5 college rape), armed robbery, and murder receive death. Those who commit such acts should never be released back into communities, and I’d argue it’s not libertarian to take from my pocket to keep them locked up. It’s also why I disagree with placing restrictions (can’t be xyz feet from a school, can’t buy firearms, etc) on anyone released from prison… if they need restrictions, then they do not belong in society. Conversely, if they belong back in the community, then they shouldn’t have restrictions.
In such a hypothetical world, public defenders would receive the same level of funding as the DA’s office, judges could never have been former prosecutors, and withholding of evidence by a prosecutor is automatically the same punishment the accused faces. I realize it’s a 180 stance from the typical anti-death penalty libertarian position. And there’s a lot of fine tuning needed to account false accusations and level of evidence for conviction, etc.
‘…if they need restrictions, then they do not belong in society. Conversely, if they belong back in the community, then they shouldn’t have restrictions.’
100% on board with that. Once the sentence is served all your constitutional rights should be restored, including the right to vote and bear arms. If the crime is that egregious then either extend the prison term or never let them out at all.
Just bring back the Bloody Code, then there’s little need for prisons at all.
“‘…if they need restrictions, then they do not belong in society. Conversely, if they belong back in the community, then they shouldn’t have restrictions.’”
Yep; including sex offender lists for the reasons you mention.
I agree, our system should have tiers:
Tier 1 minor thefts, minor assaults, trespasses punishable by short periods in the pillory, a few lashes, possibly a fine which goes toward restitution for damaged property of the victim
Tier 2 more serious thefts and assaults short of murder/rape plus repeat offenders of tier 1, punishable by incarceration at hard labor
Tier 3 murder and rape and repeat offenses of tier 2 punishable by death.
Couple this with elimination of at least 90% of our criminal laws and I think you would see very positive results. Recidivism for murder or rape should be impossible. The idea of a justice system that allows a murderer a chance to murder again, not murder a fellow death row inmate, but actually murder another free citizen after conviction, is insane.
The libertarian view of crime and punishment makes sense only in the context of our ridiculous criminal code. Fix the code and bring back actual retributive justice.
“Tier 3 murder and rape and repeat offenses of tier 2 punishable by death.”
Because judges and prosecutors are perfect infallible angels?
Also, last I checked, most rape convictions aren’t based on any evidence other than what the alleged victim said.
We already have all these “Soros” prosecutors who won’t prosecute crimes that happened, for political reasons. What makes you think they won’t prosecute crimes that did not happen, for political reasons?
I would venture to guess that the number of innocents killed by repeat offender murderers, or raped by repeat offender rapists is orders of magnitude larger than the number of actually innocent people executed. Obviously in my system that would change, because we would eliminate the first category, and with more executions comes more chance for the second category. I certainly want to avoid executing innocents, but I disagree with the idea that unless we can absolutely guarantee that no innocent will be executed we have to abdicate our responsibility to punish the most serious crimes properly.
“but I disagree with the idea that unless we can absolutely guarantee that no innocent will be executed we have to abdicate our responsibility to punish the most serious crimes properly”
Put them in prison.
‘From what I’ve seen, being on work details is generally considered a privileges that inmates desire. It’s restricted to those with good records, maybe gets them outside in the sun, and money for commissary. There probably are exceptions to this though.’
I can only go by the anecdotal stories from people I know who’ve been in the prison system but from what they say the work is not as coveted as you think and pressure is applied to do those jobs.
“Parole hearing you got coming up, eh? It would be a shame if I had to give you less than a glowing review during your time here. Now grab that pickaxe.”
In my experience with the military confinement system, the prisoners (i.e. those convicted, as distinct from detainees) would jump at any chance to get out of the brig and go on work details.
When I was in Pendleton in 93, one of the guys I played roller hockey with worked as a brig guard and managed to have boards and benches built (i.e. an outdoor roller rink) with prisoner labor. A number of us officers wondered out loud about involuntary servitude, but in talking with the convicts, they were all 100% loving it. Wanted the officers to not worry because getting outside, getting some sun, doing some work even watched by one guard, was heaven compared to sitting in the brig all day.
We sat around and bullshitted with them a little bit and they were mostly decent guys – military prisoners are generally a much higher class of criminal than your average state pen.
The military confinement system is what detention should be like – for the most part.
One key to the “higher class of criminal” is that repeat offenders are rare. Most military prisoners are discharged from the service at the end of their sentence. If they re-offend now, they are a state problem.
Absolutely agree. I had a few of those, but yes, recidivism is simply off-loaded (returned?) to broader society.
Another big part, though, is the “socialization” of the military. i.e. Boot camp or OCS tends to weed out – or maybe it would be more correct to say “selects for” – those who are willing to conform to the military society’s expectations, at least for a long enough stretches to get through the accession pipeline.
Then there’s the “socialization” that comes with living in tight quarters for all of that time, the requirements of the job, etc.
Some do slip through, however, and you wound up with cases like QuintinillaQuintinilla
The removal of involuntary servitude here is part of laying the foundation to remove incarceration entirely as a punishment. Couching it as removing slavery era language was the means to slip it by LIVs.
Ah there we go, I was wondering why that language. What world do those fools live in? Some people, not nearly so many but some, absolutely need to be behind bars.
There is a huge strain of people on the left who are convinced that all crime is a consequence of actions of the state, and that if you remove those actions, there would be no crime. TL/DR; cops are the cause of crime.
Huh. That’s why HM is always carrying around salt packets.
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Are those solar panels on the cop cars?
How about something more recent.
One could start by being more precise with language. What they are describing is not “slavery” in my book.
It’s involuntary service as punishment for a crime. It’s not like it’s mandatory national service or military draft.
Yeah, this should confound those national service morons.
And moreover, deliberately conflating it with actual slavery is disgusting but not unexpected from the MSM these days.
I don’t understand why typing on a screen in an office building surrounded by other people typing on a screen is inherently superior to typing on a screen in your underwear on your couch by yourself when you’re doing the type of work that Twitter employees do. Then again, I don’t get the general animus to home schooling either.
/puts more tape on the webcams
It’s like places not liking people showing up late even if the work gets done on time.
The biggest problem with remote workers actually comes in training new staff and knowledge transfer. There’s a lot of informal instruction that doesn’t happen when people are not in proximity.
That’s pretty much the only practical issue I’ve seen.
Yep – I’m a week into a new job and would be way behind on the learning curve if I was exclusively remote. I also think at least occasionally having impromptu conversations with coworkers is beneficial.
My last job it made little difference when I showed up unless I needed to see what was happening in the lab or the warehouse.
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And guess who gets to pick up the slack? The experienced hand that is now doing 2 jobs.
As an added bonus, experienced hand is feeling overworked and more likely to leave, and newbie is feeling not particularly engaged with his work and more likely to jump ship if someone offers him $500 more a year in pay.
For those that know what they are doing and content in their jobs, remote seems to work ok.
the frictionless switching of jobs touted by the wfhers can easily be seen as a liability.
If someone thinks that they only do what is directly written down as their job duties at work, I would get rid of them for having zero initiative. Because along with knowledge transfer and workplace culture, always seeking to do more is one of the most important parts of the job.
Also, at home employees are cruising for becoming temps or contract workers. By definition, they are expendable. I know I am pretty much the only one around these parts thinking this, but I cannot see this as a good trend for skilled labor.
I’m with you, Zwak.
When we were WFH briefly, my crew was noticeably less efficient.
There’s also a better sense of camaraderie in the office. Just yesterday one of my minions had a large deadline hanging over him. Three of his coworkers stayed past midnight to help him finish up. If they had all been strangers working from home, he’d have been screwed, but facing these things together in the office builds a culture of helping each other.
There are some jobs that you can work remotely with no issues and some that can’t. Any job that has clear milestones, deliverables and deadlines can be done anywhere. It is easy to know if those workers are actually doing the job or not. Shit gets done or it doesn’t. Everyone can tell.
Then there are the jobs where it is pretty hard to tell if someone is actually working or not. Did you really make 100 cold calls today?
My guess is that management doesn’t want to deal with the whining from the second group about why they can’t work remotely when the first group can. So no one gets to work remotely.
Factory work has clear milestones (stages of production) deliverables (the product) and deadlines (several times a day per quota), but is easier if the workers come in to the office.
And given the softphone technology, it’s dead easy to verify if the employee has made 100 cold calls from the system’s list. What’s harder to verify is that you actually fixed those bugs, since the users are still complaining.
Narrator: users never stop complaining.
If you have people use a specific phone system to make those calls, you can see exactly how many calls they made, what the average time on call was, average time on hold and the like. Quite a few first time call center agents learn this the hard way after they try to game the systems.
Sorry that was a quick example. Yeah you could use technology to help with that sort of stuff, but there are jobs that don’t have a good way to measure progress.
My point is that there are some jobs that lend themselves to remote work and others that don’t. Management is too chicken shit to tell people that there are different rules for different jobs and get over it.
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Worse, management should be allowing WFH or not on an individual basis, because it’s less job dependent than person dependent. But no way is that going to happen.
5ere are also many companies with a real “fairness” issue. Many jobs can’t be done remotely, so why should some people be allowed to stay home. I do think laptoppers seriously underestimate the percentage of non-laptop jobs, and the seriousness of the (perceived) unfairness.
That’s your fault for letting the non-laptoppers on the top floor to begin with, instead of on the first few floors where they belong.
More seriously, the bigger problem is long-term. Once a job can be done remotely, employees are now competing with people around the country, and once employers get smart – around the world. I’ve interviewed with 2 that have shifted about 1/3 of their office work overseas. It’s grunt work that probably could be automated with a big enough technology budget, but I can see which way the wind is blowing. Laptop class is going to get its ass handed to them by Bangalore in the next decade.
People have been telling me that since the 90s.
We offshored a ton of work, and then most of it came back home. Offshoring doesn’t work anywhere near as good as people think it will.
Laptop class is going to get its ass handed to them by Bangalore in the next decade.
Meh. To echo kinnath, many of my clients already have divisions sent up in India ostensibly doing what I do. Yet they still choose to pay my much more expensive consulting rate instead of using their own employees based in India despite the expense and internal pressure. There’s a reason for this.
Laptop class is going to get its ass handed to them by Bangalore in the next decade.
Another it depends on the job.
Over my career I’ve heard people say India, China, eastern Europeans, and probably some others will take my job.
Hasn’t happened. Most of those places never worked out for the outsources, and demand for my skills from employers here in the US is still high.
/looks at least two groups that work for the company I support that have been “WFH” since March 2020, and have not logged into their phones nor checked their VM’s through that entire time. But it’s a system issue…
If you have clear metrics, milestones, and such, you can very easily become a contract worker with no benefits. Simply, beyond the metrics you are not showing any worth.
I worked for a “virtual” company that always had significant numbers of its staff doing WFH, even after we got offices and had large numbers of folks in the office, too.
One of the funny things the CEO said one time was that WFH/virtual office weeded out non-productive folks more quickly than the office does.
“If you don’t produce anything online – either in e-mail or or some other work product that adds value – we all know because you simply disappear. It’s like you no longer exist to those of us engaged in the endeavor.” Maybe it was unique to that particular gig, but I thought it was also true of being a lawyer.
If you don’t provide some productive contribution and you’re not keeping up with the tempo of the ongoing endeavor, you’re just… invisible. It becomes obvious within a few weeks, maybe a month. (I guess that presumes the endeavor is something that has an ongoing tempo, but everything I’ve ever been a part of is either growing or dying, so I always presumed that you had to be continually fighting against entropy to run a “going concern.”)
My guess is that management doesn’t want to deal with the whining from the second group about why they can’t work remotely when the first group can. So no one gets to work remotely.
That’s my guess too.
I’m completely remote at this job. It has not been a problem. I’ve been completely remote at other jobs without problems.
The type of job and workplace culture matters. Entirely remote is not for everyone, but it works fine for some.
In this particular case, it’s a power move. Elon is reminding the Twits that 1.) most of them are useless and trivially replaceable, and B.) he’s in charge.
From what I have seen, whether you should do your laptop job from home or the office isn’t at all dependent on what sort of job it is, exactly, It is person-dependent. Some people are more productive at home, some at the office. I tend to believe that the percentage who are more productive at home is lower than the laptoppers want us to believe, but that’s just me.
Hard to say for me. My work patterns are different at home, and tend to be highly productive sprints. In the office, my pace is more like distance running and I find I can work longer hours than at home. It probably nets out about the same, but as a life long office drone, it’s hard to get used to the new routine and rhythm.
I’ve always liked them, but I always forget about them. I should download their discography some time.
Restitution should be a part of justice (IMO). Whether that means they should be forced to work while in prison to earn money to pay their victims, I’m less certain about.
They could earn money faster if they did more crime.
When you are punished with prison, the taxpayers have to pay for it. Why would we just let people weight lift and eat on our dime in prison? Make some roads or license plates or otherwise offset the cost of imprisonment. What’s the other option, mandatory kidney donation?
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Restitution should be baked into your either your work release program job or garnished from your wages at the real job you get after that.
You’re not paying back shit to your victims when the prison system is paying pennies on the dollar for that labor in contrast to a real world situation.
That’s a good point. I want to add that you should only be in jail for crimes against life, liberty and property and that all the other BS crimes invented by the government should go away. Also why not work for a profit? If you trade stocks and go to jail-trade stocks in jail and the profits go towards your incarceration.
You’re paying even less shit to your victims if you don’t start earning money until you get out.
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This was the greatest thing I’ve ever seen on live TV…”. That was supposed to be scheduled for Tuesday to distract the voters. Guy got his dates mixed up. Ah well, back to desk work at the FBI for him.
The news coverage of UK Chick keeps focusing on the “N-word” instead of on the actual criminal charges, which are for her OTHER behavior – actual possible crimes. And if she’s no longer a student, the university should just drop their own “code of conduct” investigations and limit themselves to cooperating with law enforcement. If she’s no longer a student, they have no authority over her. I suspect they’re beating the dead horse to make her an example.
They spend so much time fabricating racists that when they actually find a real one they have to get the most out of it.
Well, is she really racist or just a huge hip-hop fan?
Fair question
So anyone here had any money on FTX?
*submits resignation*
I can’t think of a faster way to kill my productivity but it’s his choice.
*submits resignation* – maybe easier than firing.
But why would they not go with all those tiktoks of young hotties eating drinking and doing nothing all day at HQ
My office is in Memphis. One week a year is all I am willing to spend there.
“So you expect to be paid a year’s salary for one week’s work?”
/’staff in seats’ manager
how much is the plane to Egypt ?
You don’t fly there, you go by funerary barge.
I’m sure that Elon would be willing to extend a Graceland period to you for the short term.
“what’s the bad part of Memphis called?”
“Uhh, Memphis.”
“Yea let’s go there.”
King of the Hill joke
Yeah, I dont get it. I would think WFH would be encouraged by someone like Musk who is a supposed visionary and futurist. Working from your couch instead of an office IS the stuff old futurists dreamt of. Not only that, but think of the cost savings by not having a physical office.
no ,he has been against it in every other business he is involved in as he thinks it lowers productivity and everyone should work like a maniac all the time
He’s wrong.
Well, the numbers will prove it eventually. Or not – WTF do I know.
I do know that extracting three more hours out of my day, for free, when I was hired remotely is not acceptable to me.
see this is why you will never be a billionaire.
No kidding.
That last part is the key, I was specifically hired for a remote position.
Our CEO isn’t a big fan either, but its a matter of local talent. And Memphis is not a great draw.
However, everyone is pretty much on a 50/50 schedule now, be default. And more and more full remote. One team I work with some is full remote despite 2 of them being in Memphis.
I wasn’t specifically hired remote, but… everyone was remote when I was hired.
I haven’t been in for 16 or 17 months so there’s that I guess. They don’t seem too determined to make me.
It depends. I’m a huge proponent of work from home. I’ve been working 100% remotely since 2013, well before Covid encouraged the shift. At the time, I was the only person allowed at my company to do so.
I have much higher productivity while working from home, but I’ve realized that not everyone is actually cut out for working from home. Some people absolutely kill it but others are completely non-productive. I got badly burned by thinking everyone could work remote and now I have to consider that aspect when hiring people who want to work remotely.
I’d hazard a guess that most of these employees at Twitter at not productive working from home. And, in fairness, they probably aren’t productive working onsite either. This is a good move to get them to voluntarily quit without paying severance. As Elon, I also certainly wouldn’t be paying Bay Area salaries to remote employees.
The thing I like about the concept of working at home for an employer (because I’m self-employed so it may not be comparable) is that it seems like it would cut down on office politics and I despise the politics between women in support postitions. If I don’t have to see or look at or communicate with my peers very often, I’m good.
Also, Twitter is in the shitter. They would have gone under if Hillary had won in 2016. Trump and Trumphate kept them afloat until 2020 but the air is out of that balloon. They need all hands on deck rowing together to turn this ship around.
Commuters buy Teslas?
Control freaks are gonna control freak.
*shrug*
In creatively collaborative efforts, facetime is valuable but not 100% necessary.
Right, you quitting is cheaper than him laying you off.
Re the UK student. I can’t go into details in this forum but, a few years back, the school where I teach banned a student from campus because their behavior toward a faculty member had risen to a level where it threatened that faculty member’s well-being (that sounds lame, but it was a fairly serious situation). I suspect something similar may be going on here.
My dick pocks didn’t threaten your well-being!
Oh dear, that should be “dick picks”, of course.
Oh no it shouldn’t. Dick pocks is a great new concept for Sugar Free.
Dick Picts were ancient jerks.
That’s what I was trying to get at upthread. I could see a case to be made if legitimate harassment is happening (and even then, a restraining order might be a better remedy than a blanket ban on a public space), but otherwise, public property is for racists just as much as it’s for atheists or Republicans or fat people. Barring people from the public square based on their opinions or characteristics is a dangerous road to trod.
Yeah, I figured. In the particular situation we were in, by having a campus ban, it meant the student couldn’t “lie in wait.” If they turned up, anyone could report their presence to security.
With decades of warmer and extreme weather ahead of them, young climate activists envision a future that has them frustrated and anxious, according to more than 130 activists questioned by The Associated Press. Most of them said they think their strikes and protests are effective. But lately in high-profile, attention-grabbing actions, a handful of activists have gone beyond skipping school to targeting art work, tires and fossil fuel depots.
Experts and funders expect these in-your-face actions to escalate.
“They will do whatever is non-violently necessary. They’re on fire,” said Margaret Klein Salamon, a clinical psychologist who runs the Climate Emergency Fund that financially backs some of the in-your-face protest events. “They’re so passionate. Some of that comes from youth, sure. But it is powered by reality, by having a sort of confrontation with the truth.”
Or maybe they’re just delusional hysterics.
Supported by equally delusional enablers!
City kids anyway…Have them spend a winter in Embarrass, MN, with a wood stove and they’ll get religion in a hurry.
Love how they steal the “extreme weather” base, since it’s demonstrably false that there have been increases in “extreme” weather events of the past several decades, and in many metrics (number of hurricanes per season, number of strong hurricanes per season, etc.) there have been measurable decreases.
Frankly, they should be more “frustrated and anxious” by the fact that they’re being used as props for someone’s political agenda.
I honestly don’t understand why any sane person would give a brass farthing about what “young climate activists” have to say about much of anything. A clean environment is like any other thing – a balance of costs and benefits. And the truth is children have no experience with or basis for understanding costs. They’ve had their parents covering them their entire lives.
This hurricane season has had only had one bad storm for the US. Pretty lax.
Shanking someone’s tires is not “non-violent”.
Daily Ray of Sunshine
good kitty
So I should get a cat or stop taking a shower? You decide.
Good story, brightened my day, thanks, Jimbo
I would not suggest that you take your cat into the actual shower with you.
That’s a recipe for painful lower body injuries.
*considers a joke about clean cats*
*reconsiders*
Banning involuntary servitude? Wonder when they’ll notice the draft?
When white woke girls have to register.
So, about when Hell freezes over?
Maybe some gals will enlist to get a free abortion?
Years ago we would hear stories of judges threatening young men with jail or join the army. I never met any but I think some individuals may have enlisted if they had
some family or school problems
I had two guys in my gun section who said they had been given that choice. One turned out quite well, the other not so much.
The local Boy Scout Troop I was a member of had quite a few members who had the choice to join the Scouts or go to Juvie.
Did any of them identify as trans so they could join the Girl Scouts?
Also mentioning her anxiety at the same protest 16-year-old Lucia Dec-Prat said, “it’s one thing to worry about the future and it’s another to get out there and do something about it.”
But protesting only does so much, Dec-Prat said: “I honestly feel that adults aren’t listening.”
Maybe you should be studying physics instead of guerrilla marketing.
Why would you market to them? How much disposable income do gorillas have?
A lot, since they tend to be government funded.
Why would govt fund such silliness? That is bananas!
Now you done it – monkey see, monkey do.
Local protests won’t do much. What you need to do is travel the world bringing protests to every resort city.
All of that travel must be timely too, so no slow sail boats – you gotta fly.
Private planes. Wouldn’t want to support those polluting airlines.
“Money doesn’t matter because we’re not going to have anywhere to live,” said Aniva Clarke, a 17-year old activist from Samoa. “And that’s probably the biggest issue that a lot of world leaders aren’t really focusing on.”
Yeah, you’re right.
Yes, we should all listen to scientifically illiterate children with an irrational fear of natural weather patterns.
I just realized how lucky I was to grow up in a time when adults didn’t pay any attention to me or my dumb friends. Even though we had as many great ideas as the current crop of kids, no one listened to us, or if they did, they told us we were stupid and to shut up.
Helped ground us in reality. Especially when we got older and all realized that the adults were 100% right about us and our ideas.
The waxen alien saved democracy so I’m not holding my breath waiting for all the millennial screeching that accompanied that other guy’s actions.
This guy is kind of a nutter.
But maybe we could use something like this for politians, just tie it to the stock index or inflation
I remember that episode of X-Files. And The Matrix movies.
Offered without comment.
So is there more to the drunk gal at UK? Seems like typical drunk asshole behavior. If she hadn’t used the forbidden word, would she have been expelled?
Maybe it is my white supremacy, but it seems like this gal is not an actual KKK racist, but a youngster who got way too drunk and decided to use a word that she knew would really piss off the person she was bugging.
I’m really hoping that there was more to this than that video.
According to the news stories, she kicked the RA and either hit or attempted to hit the other student who tried to help.
Assault & battery will often get you trespassed from campus until the case is resolved.
A tale of two Americas
Lind who I have to assume is as wrong about this as he is about libertarians, but boy, it sure would be nice to believe.
As long as the left can use the urban areas to harvest votes, it won’t really matter.
So what you’re saying is that we need to destroy the cities to save them?
Good point about demographics. The left might just destroy itself if it doesn’t make enough babies.
…or if it transifies a significant number of the kids it does have.
Also, how many of these people moving to traditionally red areas take their shitty politics with them? Southern NH is rife with unwashed Masses who reflexively pull the blue lever despite what it did to their home state.
I’d say it works both ways. There is a reason that California used to be a purple state into the 90’s and is now a one party Dem shithole. A lot of those former conservative voters have moved to places like Texas and are part of the reason that there is no Governor Beto.
I can tell you that I think a significant part of the reason why AZ is now Blue on statewide basis is CA immigration. See, also, Colorado. But it does seem to go the other way in some states.
California liberals despise Texas. When I moved to CA briefly in the 1980s, people who just espouse that hate randomly. I’d be getting a coffee and someone might remark “you can’t get good coffee in Texas! Those assholes!” Not realizing I was actually from there. It was surreal. So no surprise all the conservatives in California moved to Texas, and any liberals that did move to TX ending up fleeing back to CA. Man, those are some hateful liberals. And that was the 1980s! It must be horrible now.
Southern NV has definitely become more left-leaning as more L.A. evacuees come over. The sorting process still seems fairly up in the air across the country.
I’ve ceased to be baffled by people who flee the messes their politics have created without any introspection. Leftism is predicated on being able to mentally disassociate cause and effect.
Speaking of delusional hysteria (and the sort of egregious cinematic excess Ken Russell excelled at), I watched The Devils last night. It’s even crazier and more gloriously depraved than I remembered.And there is a very good tale embedded in it.
*Somehow or other I was reminded of it by yesterday’s Joemala. Go figger.
I just spoke to a council member who was elected on the first time he ran for anything. I got the standard PR quotes to go into my piece. Up next, I go up to Grissom where they’re renaming (part of) the facility after Opha May Johnson, who joined the Marine Corps reserves in 1918, becoming the first woman to do so.
I don’t think I really have to do much! The event isn’t open to the public, but I called ahead and I’m going to be escorted…in some manner.
Just go and take notes, put that all together and my Saturday paper is gonna be finished. I may actually be able to take Friday off. A day off? That…is where my progression in this new career needs to take me. I don’t have long days, really, just I never have any true Time Off. Or at least that’s how it feels.
Sorry for OT. Gotta bounce soon.
That’s such a great turn-of-the-20th-century Indiana name! ::raises coffee mug in salute to Great Aunt Zerna::
::looks up both Hoosier chicks:: Aunt Zerna was born 11 years after Opha, and just 26 miles away! 😄
But was she a Marine reservist?
Please forgive me bragging on a relative, but she had a rather different claim to (modest) fame.
*Discards jokes about her writing books for marines*
“Corporal! Stop coloring in the margins of your reader!”
“Run, Spot, run!”
Your Aunt Zerna got me through 1st grade, GT.
Me, too, 4(20) – the last year before my school finally phased them out in favor of more “modern” reading textbooks.
At the other end of my education, she got me through college (financially, that is. Thanks again, Aunt Zerna!)
“Corporal! Stop coloring in the margins of your reader!”
“Crayons are for eating, not drawing!”
My grandmothers family had great OG names. She was a Lola. He sisters were Audrey, Onda, and Wilma.
My grandmothers were Nadine and Mildred.
Effie and Jaconda.
Thekla and Katrina
Looking forward to a generation of little girls named “Tesla.”
‘Grace’ and I don’t remember the other one. (Never met her IRL that I can recall.)
Grace and Ruth
Pearl and Martha
Onda is a great name! On the other side of my family, I also had an Aunt Theora.
Her video compression algorithm is the bees knees.
Funny how Ada was supposed to be honoring someone yet turned into an albatross.
My grandma’s given first name was Mamie, but she always used her middle name, Marie. Her sisters were Letha, Mozelle, and Lucy Mae. Very backwoods.
My other grandmother was Roseanne and her sisters were Gladys and Joan.
Juanita and Isabel.
like Vitula Abernathy?
The fairness in remote work is a thing in my company where it is not fair for people who need equipment and work in labs and have to be present in the office that people who only work on the computer can work from home
this was meant as a reply further up somewhere
Now that the elections are over, gas is up 20 cents a gallon. A trend that will probably continue for 2 years.
Hey, people voted for higher gas prices. And inflation in general. And a recession.
Apparently the largest diesel refinery in the country has been offline (maintenance) which is part of why the inventories are low and prices crazy high.
I’ve had something similar to this happen to me while fishing. Except I was wading and not in a kayak.
I have no faith in the DNR “expert” who claims that they are passive and shy in the water. The DNR biologists seem to be no better than health experts and I would not want to prove my point by losing a finger or toe.
I didn’t know Cocaine Mitch was a fisherman…
Up in the BWCA one of the dudes I was with shot one that took his fish. I’m with you – docile they are not.
In the BWCA, we had a campsite next to a small cliff. Every morning we’d run from camp down a small slope to the cliff and jump in to clean up. One day were were standing on the cliff watching the lake and bullshitting when we looked down and saw one swimming on by below. We all looked at each other and thought about the disaster that would happen if you cannonballed onto the top of one in the morning. Needless to say, from then on the morning jump had one scout go ahead and verify that none were swimming by.
Yeah. When I was a kid, we would feed hot dogs to a snapping turtle that lived in the culvert at the end of our street. They’re pretty aggressive when it comes to food, and you definitely don’t want one noshing on your fingers or toes.
I’m surprised they can tolerate the cold that far north.
Relevant to the hysterical ignoramus kids.
You have a strange obsession with madame Curry
Not strange at all. She’s brilliant, accomplished, and had enough principle to walk away from the field when it got too politicized.
They should be suing the people who actually inflicted the psychological damage, the fear-mongers who indoctrinated these impressionable kids with unscientific bullshit.
The revenge will be those kids being in charge when the people that raised them that way are old and needy.
I suppose it takes all kinds. The younger adults I know are learning to shoot, securing food and water storage, and studying permaculture, gardening and animal husbandry. It seems more productive, and much more fun, than screeching like a hysterical idiot.
Syrena Swimwear Resort 2023 Miami Swim Week – Art Hearts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlXDNPQhCcg
*looks at Minnesoda State tax bill*
*adjusts fetters*
*adjusts sunglasses to better see comely young lass washing her car*
“Takin’ ’em off, boss.”
She knows what she’s doing.
My only gripe with prison labor (forced or not) is if it has any impact on private businesses. I don’t think it would be fair to engage in enterprises using cheap labor that compete against other businesses that are forced to pay $15/hr.
Any prison enterprises should have to comply with all the regulations and restrictions that private competitors do.
I don’t know all jurisdictions, but don’t they typically limit work to either government work or making products only for the government? I recall the Army had some prison labor furniture.
No
https://www.prisonblues.net/about
I support banning prison labor products for non-government customers.
Shelby Cobra CSX cars
http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/shop-talk/14758-csx-built-prison-labor.html
“Thai blogger faces five years in jail for videoing herself eating a WHOLE BAT in a bowl of soup – after viewers said she risked ‘starting a pandemic’
Phonchanok Srisunaklua had uploaded the 1 minute 40 second clip to her Gin Zap Bep Nua Nua (Eat spicy and delicious) YouTube channel where the dead animals are seen floating in a mud-coloured soup with cherry tomatoes.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11412099/Thai-blogger-faces-five-years-jail-videoing-eating-BAT-bowl-soup.html
Who puts cherry tomatoes in soup?
Who puts cherry tomatoes in soup? – my mom adds some to ciorba. In autumn when they grow like weeds, my mom picks them up and rinses them and freeze them whole. In winter she takes a couple of handfuls and just drops them in the boiling ciorba.
I tried to look up ciorba to find out more, it appears to be a broad family of soups. What’s the formula you’re accustomed to?
https://www.glibertarians.com/2020/05/romanian-food-ciorba/
Someone who eats dead bat in her soup.
Good morning, Sloop.
OMD was a fantastic band. The 80s were a fantastic time.
Slavery is not fantastic, however I’d like to see more restitution and less incarceration. Not sure how to make that work, though.
My dad the probation officer told me that restitution is almost never paid. The thinking is that you can’t get blood out of a stone and you don’t want to keep someone locked up if they can’t pay. So victims are usually told tough titties when they complain about restitution not being paid.
I’m certain that in high profile cases restitution really gets paid, but for most of them it is not something that will happen.
You mean that kid with no insurance that hit my car in Waco 40 years ago isn’t going to pay me the $400 he agreed to, to save his driver’s license?
I can happily report that we got money back from the guy who failed to do the work on our place down in SWVA. I really didn’t think it would happen but it did.
I had forgotten about that, glad you got some justice. Were you able to get back all you were owed?
Got back for the work he didn’t do; gave him credit for what he did (even if it wasn’t done as well as I would like). Not a win, but not the loss it would’ve been.
Yeah, that’s usually about the best you can hope for in those kind of disputes. At least you got some relief.
Virginia DPOR was very helpful, and apparently our guy has been in front of the local judges down there enough that he doesn’t want to keep pushing his luck.
Wouldn’t the “child victims” of global warming be suffering from PRE traumatic stress syndrome?
Adults aren’t listening
Because you are an ignorant child that seeks the destruction of humanity.
Voters in three states approved ballot measures that will change their state constitutions to prohibit slavery and involuntary servitude as punishment for crime, while those in a fourth state rejected the move. The measures approved Tuesday curtail the use of prison labor in Alabama, Tennessee and Vermont. In Oregon, “yes” was leading its anti-slavery ballot initiative, but the vote remained too early to call Wednesday morning.
No need to get value from convicted prisoners. Let’s just keep spending tens of thousands per year to keep them imprisoned.
There not there so the public can “get value” from them. They’re there to be removed from the general public for an arbitrary amount of time for committing a crime. That’s it.
I’m not clear on exactly what problem we are trying to solve.
“I’d be curious how you guys feel about it.”
Mrs. Suthenboy and I voted against slavery. I am very disappointed that it did not pass.
How America can save Taiwan
European allies can’t be relied on
https://unherd.com/2022/11/how-america-can-save-taiwan/
In light of this, how would America react to the outbreak of a war with China? Now, if the United States could handily defeat China as it could for many decades, there would be little problem. But this is now very much in doubt. And this is where the issue becomes very pointed for allies, including in Europe.
First and foremost, such a conflict would almost certainly suck away high-value US forces everywhere else in the world, including in Europe and the Middle East, and might do so very abruptly.
Simple, thermonuclear saturation of the Chinese mainland. It’s the only option remaining at this point. Yes, we’ll lose a number of cities in return, but they don’t do much.
so if DC and LA go, win win, you say
Our cities vote blue a lot. Can’t melt those!
could handily defeat China as it could for many decades
Assumes facts not in evidence, least of all in a war on Chinese soil (or local waters).
I doubt China attempting to invade Taiwan would turn into an invasion of mainland China. It would be sea and air, from our end. And I do think that until somewhat recently, China would have had no chance of countering our sea and air assets. That has changed, of course.
I think you underestimate the war-boners that would insist on invading the mainland for regime change.
The emerging consensus on the right seems to be that DeSantis is the great white hope:
To Win Polarized Elections, Republicans Need More Than Weak Opponents — They Need Strong Leaders
Link needs sugar.
Today, there were a bunch of Murdoch paper articles attacking Trump, and fluff pieces about how wonderful Casey DeSantis is.
Whoopsie!
DS beats Trump by a country mile in my book. All of the fight and pluck of 2016 Trump along with focus and knowledge of how to use the reality of the political system. Trump had his time in the sun and I’ll always be thankful to him for no Hillary but he needs to fade away now.
great white hope
He’s more swarthy, but sure.
Hope is bad for your health.
“Elections should not be about pitting one group against each other. It doesn’t need to be that way. Our nation is too divided right now and it’s been divided for too many years,” Hidalgo said. “To the extent we work on these issues that affect us all, all of us will do better.”
Go fuck yourself.
Confidence is key.
.@KariLake: “I feel 100% certain I’m going to win…We’re only down by a few thousand votes right now, when those votes come in we’re gonna see a lot of liberal minds blowing up.”
“‘Third world countries count faster than that!’ Furious Arizona Republicans slam ‘national disgrace’ at the ballot box as 17,000 votes have to be RECOUNTED after tabulators failed – while Kari Lake and Katie Hobbs wait for gubernatorial result”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11410875/Furious-Arizona-GOPs-slam-national-disgrace-ballot-box-17-000-votes-RECOUNTED.html
They are always slow.
emergency ballot printer go brrrrrr
I, for one, am glad we saved democracy.
Reporter: “Do you think @elonmusk is a threat to national security?”
Biden: “It’s worthy of being looked at.”
Biden is a thug piece of shit. That kind of stuff is worse than the Mafia.
Thin skinned too.
This is why I don’t really buy the whole “voters wanted Biden because he’s so reasonable and genteel after the turbulent Trump” narrative that’s become the consensus position on both the right and the left. Trump called an enormously fat celebrity a pig and said when you’re famous women will let you fingerblast them. Heads exploded. Biden challenged a voter at a town hall event to a pushup contest after calling him a fatso dog-faced pony soldier (whatever the fucking hell that was supposed to mean), and people rushed to the polls to vote him in because Trump is too vulgar? I’m not especially offended by either of them, but the “return to normalcy” shit just doesn’t jive to me.
The notion was that Biden was part of the Machine, having spent 50 years in Congress doing jack shit and more or less voting with whatever the mainstream Dem policy was at the moment. Meanwhile, every utterance from the Hat and Hair was a soundbite.
What was papered over was that the political center of gravity on the left has shifted way left from where it was 30 years ago, Biden is a thin skinned gaffe machine, and is senile to boot.
But remember, Trump was the one who constantly shot his mouth off.
And his incredibly mean thumbs.
He’s a bigger asshole than Trump. Half of the time, I feel Trump is doing a schtick.
The White House doesn’t have a coffee machine?
Well, Dems have already put one vegetable in the presidency…
Deranged libs on MSNBC are already salivating over a Fetterman Presidential run:
“It just makes you wonder”
Katy Tur has never been known for her intelligence. Also, Gingersnatch is looking good.
It does just make you wonder…how anyone can be so damn stupid. That shambling train wreck won primarily because of his craptacular opponent.
Like the GOP won’t serve him up an even worse opponent in 2024
“We can make the next president even worse than he was. Bigger, slower, even more brain-dead.”
The Brainonic Man?
Katy Tur, who stated that George Washington was a New Yorker, isn’t known for her intelligence? Well, I’ll be.
Ineffective ‘mayor’, indifferent LtGov, Senate backbencher – yeah, that’s real presidential material. Are we sure that isn’t a parody acct?
So more qualified than Obama.
Has a D after his name which is good enough for places like California and New York.
It would be such a troll to run a real Nazi as a Dem in one of those places.
They don’t already?
Not an exact match, but This supports your theory.
Ok, morning recs for last time buy:
G43X vs P365 (SAS or external safety) vs Hellcat OSP
ES already weighed in on the G43X.
PCC: Evo3 S1 vs ?
Unfortunately Beretta 1301 has been out of stock at LGS since pre covid.
My gf likes her Hellcat. It shoots nice.
Hard to go wrong with any of those, IMO.
Personally, I <3 my micro 9 esv.
Dammit!
PCC – spend your money elsewhere unless you want to compete in PCC division, or unless you have a line on a legit PDW-size one (Flux Raider, B&T TP-9, etc.) Maybe look at a .22LR AR, for less expensive carbine practice?
That’s a thought. We used to use sub caliber drop ins when using the university range for end of year quals. I’ve seen a bunch of .22 ARs still in the racks. Probably not for long.
Although PCC isn’t quite correct for what I’m looking for. Pistol with brace would be more accurate.
Right. The problem with most PCCs/shorty rifles is that they’re not easy to carry discreetly. Just as an example, your cow-orkers are definitely going to wonder why you’re carrying a gym bag along with your briefcase, that you never let out of your sight. Wheras a pistol-style PDW, you can stash in your existing backpack/messenger bag along with a few extendos, some med gear, and maybe a big can of bear spray, and still have plenty of room for your laptop and general office stuff.
Another possibility is to get so awesome with your carry pistol that the PDW doesn’t really expand your capability all that much. This is not sarcasm. There’s something to be said for spending the PCC budget on a high-performance pistol class and a few more cases of ammo.
I’m sympathetic to this view. Ideally my micro 9mm is effective for anything it needs to be. PCCs seem fun but 9mm out of a longer barrel doesn’t offer much more. when evaluating what kind of “intermediate” arm I would buy, pcc or ar, I opted for ar just because the round is so much more than any handgun cartridge.
9mm uppers are cheap, adapters for whatever mags you want are available. Just remember to also swap buffers and springs.
I really enjoy shooting my Evo 3 and it conceals nicely in a tennis racket case. I like my ARs too. The answer here is to get both.
And a semi-auto shotgun.
“man, that dude _really_ likes tennis”
My brother in law thought it was great I brought my tennis racket to the hotel when my family congregated for my grandfather’s funeral a couple years ago. He suggested we go play tennis sometime soon.
My sister called him an idiot.
Which 1301 model are you looking for? I’ve seen them around and on GunBroker.
Marine coated one would be ideal.
FFLs around here either either stopped doing transfers or jacked their fees way up so really prefer to find a local one.
Ah… Connecticut?
Maybe Bass Pro or Cabela’s?
I like my 1301 a lot.
That’s the one I’ve got. She’s a beauty. Get the mag extension!
I just got a red dot for mine, too. Light next.
I have the Comp Pro – went shopping for the regular Comp and the pro was almost the same price. I need to do the mag extension and a red dot at some point.
1301 Fanboi here. The Marine model looks nice, but honestly I doubt you need the extra corrosion protection outside of very narrow use cases.
SAS has gotten nothing but panned by people who have one.
My original non-XL, non-Spectre comp, non-Macro shoots well and I did well with it at the backup gun match.
Now that mid-terms are over, Big corp can start the layoffs the DNC had asked them to forstall till after the mid-terms. So Zuck the Schmuck and Co. are already doing so in earnest and they’ll keep using everyone’s favorite autist as a distraction while it happens. Then in 6 mos when everyone is out of work and fighting for jobs, some super genius Hahvahd educated economist will finally declare we may be in a slight recession just in time for the 2024 presidential election cycle to begin, and it will all be dumped at Desantis’ feet somehow.
He opposed all the D policies that would have created utopia.
We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close!
Love those music choices. They were way up on my list in high school, and I still enjoy them.
I made the mistake of looking at the Mass governor race results. I figured Healy would win, but it wasn’t even close to being close. She got nearly twice the votes as Diehl. I’m almost positive Trump did better than Diehl did back in 2020 when things were somehow not as bad as they are now.
And I should mention that, as AG, she was pretty well hated across the board. I’d wager people in most states don’t know how their AG is, but she is notorious in MA.
My AG is notorious for her single-minded mission to “take down Trump”.
How she has a fucking license to practice her obviously politically-motivated prosecutions is a mystery to me.
The people with the power to revoke her license are of the same mindset.
I like my AG and LG and G, a rare occasion.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1590517570095882240
OFFS!!
Replace one vegetable with another?
It’s a meat free mental vegetation smorgasbord.
The winner of a Fetterman/Biden debate would be the candidate who filled up their drool cup first.
“Please tell me what I’m missing here. What are we doing next? Putting patients in charge of their own surgeries? Clients in charge of their own trials? When did we stop trusting experts. This is so stupid.”
https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1590545381641060352
You’re a flatulent retard. That’s what you are missing.
We stopped trusting “experts” when it became glaringly obvious that their supposed expertise was secondary to their devotion to the approved politics.
I stop trusting experts when they lie to my face.
He was roasted hard in the comments.
Patients choose their own doctors. Clients choose their own lawyers. So, yes, students (or parents) choose their own schools and teachers.
There is something stupid here, but it is not what he thinks.
He is dangerously evil.
Let me guess, he sailed to re-election.
When did we stop trusting experts.
When did we stop banging Chinese spies?
Not until long after he was put on the Select Committee for Intelligence .
So many directions to go for jokes.
I trust an expert. I do not trust “experts.”
We didn’t. Some of us just have a more stringent definition of “expert” than “25 year old campus activist who flunked out of sociology and finally got a BA in education after 6 years.”
I vetted this, and it is a serious tweet from an NPC.
This is probably way more common than people think.
The strongest* correlation for student success is parent involvement.
*I think, I could be wrong.
Self awareness to know he has nothing to offer?
Expert intuition is often no better than random monkeys pressing buttons, behavioral SCIENTISTS find.
How long ’til Biden invokes the Defense Production Act to justify a government takeover of Twatter?
1) Take over Twitter
2) Guarantee a job that pays $150K/yr to anybody who has student loans
Just solved the student loan crisis! Legally!
After that- Exxon!
Time to go tackle leaf-filled gutters!
that is man work
I’ve done ours twice already and have at least one more round.
If you missed it, I highly recommend finding and watching it.
Does anyone have a link that isn’t from a news team that hypes every action as extremely dangerous?
BTW, Happy Birthday to all my fellow Devil Dogs here. (and even Fourscore who made a bad choice as a lad and joined the wrong service).
Think about that. 70 years ago he thought we were soft.
and breed a hardier race
Why I can’t even!!! Cuckoldry, racism!!1!11-enty!!!
Raaaaaaaah
Who?
That right there will get you some one on one face time with the dirt
Right back atcha.
At one time my goal after I did my first Army term, was to do a hitch in the AF, then the navy and then decide. Then the Army offered me cash and a guaranteed school, I never looked back.
Somebody was paying attention
A risky Democratic strategy to spend millions of dollars on elevating some far-right Republican candidates appeared to pay off on Wednesday, as Democratic nominees defeated them in several races across the country.
Critics within the Democratic Party had warned that ad campaigns backing candidates who echo former President Donald Trump’s false claims about a stolen 2020 election could help elect the very people Democrats were telling Americans posed a serious threat to democracy.
But supporters of the controversial move reckoned that boosting these candidates over more moderate Republicans in their party’s pre-election nominating contests would make their opponents easier to beat on Election Day.
The gamble appears to have worked: All eight Democratic candidates who benefited from the strategy were projected to win their races as of Wednesday morning. The results could provide a blueprint for the 2024 presidential election.
It doesn’t hurt to have an incessant media drumbeat of “election denier” and “death or DEMOCRACY!”as an accompaniment.
something, something about something divided
High risk. It worked this time, but you might just elect a few of those election deniers…
Seems like a good strategy for the GOP to emulate.
I thought it was already the GOP strategy to back candidates that would lose.
That was actually sarcasm, but your point stands regardless.
Except we know from the Fetterlump that people will vote for anything so long as it has a “D” after its name. The Rs don’t get the same, which is why it works against them.
And the dead dude too
To be fair, if he was a D, he was representing a lot of his voters.
I like how the media is spinning “people wanted a special election for the seat, that is why!” I am going with the more simple, people are stupid answer
If you are not alive on election day, votes for you should not count.
Yeah, the massive assist that Democrats get from every major institution in America is proving difficult to overcome.
PS. 2020 was stolen but obviously it’s time to #moveon. They won this one.
I still contend that “election denier” is quite possibly the most abjectly fucking retarded epithet ever coined. As desperate as you may be to tie anyone who supports voter ID to Holocaust deniers or climate change deniers, no one – quite literally not a single person – denies that an election took place in 2020.
Retarded? It’s low-key brilliant.
What’s the first thing that pops into your head when you hear ‘denier?’ For most of us, it’s ‘holocaust denier.’ What a great, subtle way to link your class enemies to a bunch of assholes?
See also ‘climate denier.’
Why should I vote for Freedom Deniers?
And then nothing else happened, no one got prosecuted or even fired, no one cared, and that was that.
“It doesn’t hurt to have an incessant media drumbeat of “election denier” and “death or DEMOCRACY!”as an accompaniment.”
Worked like a charm for the Shapiro/Mastriano contest for PA governor. Shapiro racked up the largest margin win ever for a race without an incumbent running. His coattails were so long he’s going to be a rising star in the national Dem party. Mastriano was so toxic (and the ads used his own words, not some spun b.s.) that the 23 seat GOP margin in the PA House has apparently evaporated, the GOP lost all three toss-up congressional races, even the rural areas had a larger blue turnout, and Oz (imperfect himself) lost to a Marxist whose debate performance had to be the most embarrassing of this century. The new House speaker is likely to be a minority woman from Phila. who is going to try to ram terrible gun control measures down the throats of armed Pennsylvanians. (You know the drill: “The only way to keep black men from killing each other in Phila. is to make it harder for the hunter in Elk County to have the rifle of his choice.”)
Pennsylvania was a big loser in these midterms. It sucks to see it spelled out so clearly. The safety from the state house is utterly exposed.
Then maybe the PA GOP ought to stop being a party following stupid people?
According to Barnes, the Democrats have perfected the “get out the vote” strategy among young people and he thinks that is what helped them.
He was on a Democrat voter list and was receiving five or more texts a day to go vote.
The Republican versions of the same were just constantly asking for money. I can confirm that as my phone was blown up with those.
I can see that.
I looked over the results for my town. Democrats got about the same number of votes they did in 2020. Republicans less. Which says Democrats and their independent supporters came out, Republicans didn’t.
THIS IS HUGE:
“DHS censorship machine targeted 22 million tweets, used 120 speech flaggers, scrubbed 15 platforms, and throttled dozens of “emerging election narratives” using a chat app.
#DHSLeaks was just the tip of an iceberg. Full report here:”
https://twitter.com/FFO_Freedom/status/1590529363942203392
“DHS Censorship Agency Had Strange First Mission: Banning Speech That Casts Doubt On ‘Red Mirage, Blue Shift’ Election Events”
https://foundationforfreedomonline.com/11-9-22.html
Gotta have some fake “tight” polls before rigging elections.
Heard an interesting take this week. Perhaps the Republicans dodged a bullet. If you believe we are headed for a big recession, high unemployment, etc., and the Republicans had won big, it would be easy to blame them for everything.
Democrats were making that same rationalization just last week.
It is a rationalization but it also has some merit.
It does. I think the president who would block anything Congress tried to do would still have gotten the brunt of the blame, though.
Sort of. I think most people are still going to blame the party of the president.
Of course that wasn’t really demonstrated this past week.
Anyone want to explain to me how the fuck it’s Thursday and we still don’t have election results?
Fucking Banana Republic bullshit.
They weren’t prepared for the level of fortification required.
Yeah, this is definitely something I’ve been thinking about. Anyone remember Florida in 2000? For months we were joking about “hanging chads” and “electile dysfunction”. But, 22 years later, it feels like much of the country has gotten worse than that. And, you look at the situation in Maricopa County, Arizona – one of the candidates for governor is in charge of the ballot counting (she refused to recuse herself) and you have an absolute crapshow where as many as 25% of the ballots are giving uncertain results. Even if she’s completely honest, which I doubt, that’s not the sort of situation where you have to be “opposed to democracy” or an “election denier” to think something is dreadfully not right.
She is also a “debate denier”.
Has Arizona always been this crooked?
McCain…so yes?
Dennis DeConcini
McCain and DeConcini –> 40% of the Keating Five
She didn’t recuse herself because she has a D behind her name and a compliant media that won’t ask those questions.
She also puts herself in an interesting position if it remains this tight and lawsuits start up. How can she be party to the State as an agent of it and her campaign in those lawsuits?
Florida got their shit together after that. Arizona has been a shit show the last several elections.
“one of the candidates for governor is in charge of the ballot counting (she refused to recuse herself)”
That’s also fucked.
Just a reminder, this was Stacey Abrams argument against Kemp. It is possible to make a principled argument, it is just more likely for it to be the loser’s sour grapes.
I’d recuse myself out of self-respect.
she refused to recuse herself
It’s her job to oversee elections. If she should recuse herself from overseeing an election in which she is a candidate, then no sitting Sec State can ever run for office, even re-election? Better to put another office, say Auditor of State, in charge of conducting random audits, every cycle, not just when there is controversy.
I would like to see a audit occur like you said at all times. Though I wouldn’t make it an office of the Government. Random functionaries of government selected after the election day will provide the person responsible for the audit. So could be State House or Department of Motor Vehicles, etc.
The elections have to be fortified.
Voters have to be suppressed. [See, it works both ways]
I don’t think it works both ways. Prior restriction does not equal a constant trickle of
votesballots that seem to only favor one party.The Dems can’t help it that they are the choice of the lazy and stupid.
[Actually, it doesn’t]
The fact that Georgia had record turnout in no way invalidates the complaints of the losers that voters were suppressed. There were bound to be some stupid, lazy, illiterate assholes that were otherwise eligible to cast a ballot but didn’t.
A Dem friend (acquaintance?) was insisting yesterday that he is not a vote blue no matter who type of guy, he’s an independent thinker. I asked him to name a democrat he does not like.
Joe Manchin.
I could not hold back from laughing in his face.
lol
Does anyone see an advantage to Manchin flipping to the GOP side if the new Senate is (as looks likely) 50-50? It probably wouldn’t hurt Manchin in WV, but why piss off the Dems because Biden/Harris will be overturn-veto-proof regardless. But maybe he gets a plum committee chairmanship if he flips?
He still votes with Biden 89% of the time.
He could also get a little revenge on the Dems for screwing him on their “deal” by flipping control to the GOP.
But maybe he’s not as vindictive as I am.
He independently believes anything Dems tell him to.
If you believe children (and the citizenry in general) are the chattel property of the state, it makes perfect sense to want the power to micromanage their indoctrination.
It takes a village to chop off your daughter’s tits.
If anyone wants a Veterans’ Day Eve zoom, I have set one up that I will post in the p.m. links
If someone else already had the same idea, let me know so we don’t cross the streams.
Three days in a row? My wife will kill me.
She should join us! We like her better! 🤣
I was at work on last nights Zoom…missed the tower and da planes
Whaaaaaat
Heard an interesting take this week. Perhaps the Republicans dodged a bullet. If you believe we are headed for a big recession, high unemployment, etc., and the Republicans had won big, it would be easy to blame them for everything.
I expect them to be blamed for tying Joe’s hands and thwarting his Great Leap Forward recovery agenda.
That won’t work though.
Sure it will. He got a pass on inflation by blaming Putin, J6, Covid, greedy oil companies, Trump, voices in his head, and everyone except his party and their fiscal policies.
Looks like the electorate largely believed him.
Americans have a trait that has excelled us to greatness but can put us in the situation we are in now. Adaptability.
The high costs will just become what the majority accept. Outliers will still complain and campaign on or promise political relief.. but it will just be a part of the country.
We as a people have no fight in us to stand up against it and instead just shrug and avoid the conflict of pushing back on it.
This is an interesting point WRT my observation that libertarians are poor at organization, while progressives are poor at crisis management. Progressives lack adaptability. They have to change the world, because they lack the capacity to change themselves.
[bewildered progressive] Why would I ever need to change?
Generally, they only say this when they’re kneeling over the shallow grave they just finished digging…
Progressives ignore human nature.
I expect them (the Rs) to try to look like they’re “doing something about it” by spend-spend-spend.
Just walked past CNN in the break room. Reporting on elections as if it’s totally normal to still be “counting” 2 days later.
https://edition.cnn.com/election/2022/results/house?election-data-id=2022-HG&election-painting-mode=projection&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false
Holy shit look at the gerrymandering in Illinois.
Great contrast with Indiana.
We are vastly superior to Illinois in every way.
Low bar dude.
“Now, it is time for all Americans to come together and say that it must be struck from the U.S. Constitution. There should be no exceptions to a ban on slavery,” he said.
Now do the income tax.
“An AP questionnaire of more than 130 young climate activists finds that the future they envision — even fear — has them frustrated and anxious”
Parents and their teachers to blame. This is child abuse.
Meh, just feed ’em some drugs.
::Pfizer rep perks up::
“This is something interesting, and debate worthy, that happened in the midterms. I’ve never really given it much thought until now, and I’d be curious how you guys feel about it.”
The only state it didn’t pass was because democrats campaigned against it (really). I don’t see how requiring work is any different from say ‘community service’ in lieu of jail.
If you told me I could reduce my sentence by half for performing some labor I would probably go for it.
Daily Ray of Sunshine, Nerfherder Edition
https://twitter.com/therealkeean/status/1590442992661590016
Hello Shiny. You were going to recommend someone for a standby generator.
Thank you for the reminder.
Do you want a portable (up to 22kW) with a hookup panel or a permanent installation? Preferred fuel source?
Permanent installation. Automatic transfer switch. Natural Gas.
I have a 5kw system that runs about 1/3rd of the circuits in the house.
I want that removed and replaced with a whole-house system. Probably 20+ kw.
Need ongoing service/maintenance as well.
This was a big problem on the current system. Electrician installed it and walked away.
On one hand, I hope that guy is OK.
Otherwise Trudeau can go fuck himself, this is the look he deserves.
I’m not saying he’s a spy, in so many words…
Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, a Democrat, on October 31 called for an investigation into the national security risks that may come from Saudi stakes in Twitter.
“We should be concerned that the Saudis, who have a clear interest in repressing political speech and impacting US politics, are now the second-largest owner of a major social media platform,” he tweeted.
White House officials had earlier denied reports that it was planning a security review of Musk’s dealings with Twitter.
“The national security review, that is not true,” said White House press secretary Karine-Jean Pierre on October 24.
As if she has any clue about what is really going on.
The whole idea of freaking out over “social media platforms” and their potential national security implications is pretty difficult for me to buy into.
This is the Biden administration going after the Saudis for defying them on Ukraine and OPEC.
I need to confirm it, but apparently the Arabs in general have indicated that they’re cutting way back on weapons purchases as well and that is freaking the US/Brits out.
This is about BRICS. The Western world is facing loss of the Reserve currency because they have pilfered all of the current value – and even the future value – to the point that other countries are simply walking away from the USD as the Reserve currency. They’re correct to do so.
The US strength that allowed us to win WW2 was our economic strength and we (and by “we” I mean a generation of post-WW2 looter politicians) have pissed that and more away.
The Kingdom is considering joining it. Watch what the US does the BRICS countries in the next 2 years.
Oh, how I laugh and laugh whenever some dipshit leftist trots out “Durrrrr inflation is global and not Biden’s fault!”
Bitch, what is the world’s reserve currency? Who controls that reserve currency?
So much what Chipwooder said. And once the world drops the USD as reserve currency, our politicians’ ability to export inflation will be nearly nothing.
Which will hurt. Because, it’s been DC’s main export for the last 60 years, even over sanctimonious bullshit and grifty foreign “aid”.
There isn’t much we can do, particularly given the incompetence rampant within the federal govt. There will be raging, maybe some saber rattling, but there will also be some very undignified pleading.
I disagree, JI. That’s a big part of what Ukraine is about.
But inviting TikTok “influencers” to the White House to film is a-okay
“The whole idea of freaking out over “social media platforms” and their potential national security implications is pretty difficult for me to buy into.”
See above about the DHS getting involved in elections.
Sitting in “training” for some HecRas interfaced with AutoCAD program and some people are actually taking notes for some reason. It’s way too much to note everything. I figure this is an “observe the process and learn by doing later” scenario.
How shocking that these extremely late ballots are, contrary to previously stated expectations, very heavily favoring the Democrats.
Has there ever been, anywhere, one of these long, drawn-out, days after ballot counting that did not have Democrats rapidly gaining votes? I can’t think of one. Every single time, it’s Dem votes.
I assume any race not counted and reported by midnight of election day is being rigged. Counting is something most kindergarten kids can do.
Mail in ballots in PA are running 3:1 Democrat. Unless states go back to the traditional rules about who qualifies for absentee ballots, the lazy and uninformed will be ripe pickings for Democrats. The GOP has to step up its GOTV efforts or suffer the consequences.
Unless you’re an invalid, deployed military, or a few other special circumstances, there is no goddamned reason why you need to mail in a ballot. Drag your happy ass to your polling station.
I’d just love for Dems to actually defend their advantage amongst the lazy and ignorant.
NPR assured me this morning that they expect the late votes in AZ to lean red, giving Lake the governorship. Yeah, we’ll see.
Judges in NV that were running for election have all pulled > 25% of the None of These Candidates choice we have on our ballots.
People are voting for a female judge for family court….bad move. My wife’s view on this “women are nasty and even though I have a deadbeat ex, he deserves a fair shake in court and not some man-hating judge”
I saw that “none of the above” – how the hell did the political class allow that to happen?
1975 is when it was added. Statewide and presidential candidates have the option. It is toothless though. 99% can say none of the above but the candidate who has the most of that 1% still gets in office.
Local races and the LP:
https://twitter.com/lpky/status/1590449345052057601
How shocking that these extremely late ballots are, contrary to previously stated expectations, very heavily favoring the Democrats.
There was an article I saw a day or two about how Democrat leads were likely to shrink as mail in votes were counted. I was not convinced.
Same. Kept reading how NV and AZ remaining ballots were actually going to be be favorable to Rs and knew it was bullshit. Lo and behold!
I watched a police chase last night (Los Angeles of course) where the perp rammed a couple of police cars among many others. It ended at a gas station, and the popo LIT HIM UP (yes, there were other customers at the gas station at the time). There were 10+ holes in his window and door.
He walked out in cuffs under his own power.
He’s either a Terminator or the cops continue to be horrible shots. I think I’ll go with b.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkhAwabc1Mw&ab_channel=ABC7
With a handgun, if you don’t hit him in the brain, the heart, or the aortic complex, you’re not gonna keep him from pressing the fight if he wants to. The vast majority of GSW ‘stops’ happen when the victim realizes that he got shot, and decides to quit.
NPR assured me this morning that they expect the late votes in AZ to lean red, giving Lake the governorship. Yeah, we’ll see.
No kidding. And when the last of the votes are counted, giving the Democrat a “surprise” win: “But it was even money. It could have gone either way.”
Speaking of global warming-
*looks out window at snow, checks temperature*
I need to go to the ranch store and get some water line heat tape this afternoon.
It has been unseasonably warm in much of the lower 48 this fall. I think many folks are going to be shocked when they receive their first real winter heating bill.
At my MIL’s – she got her heating oil delivery yesterday. $6/gallon @ 220 gallons…
She’ll need another fill-up before the winter is done.
She’ll just complain as she votes straight Blue, sends money to idiots like Beto and loudly opines how people who vote any other way are dangerous idiots.
“Damn that Putin!”
It has become very apparent that many people will put up with a lot of real-world pain in order to send a message to the people they’ve been conditioned to think are icky.
The malady lingers on
Covid infections are surging in the capital of China’s export-heavy Guangdong province, raising concerns of another drag on the national economy.
Schools in eight of 11 districts in the city of Guangzhou moved classes online for most students as of Thursday. In the last few days, more parts of the city have ordered people to stay home, and non-essential businesses to close.
“As things stand, it is hard to tell whether Guangzhou will repeat the experience of Shanghai in spring this year,” Nomura’s chief China economist Ting Lu and a team said in a note late Wednesday. “If Guangzhou repeats what Shanghai did in spring, it will lead to a new round of pessimism on China.”
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In just a week, the number of Covid infections with symptoms in Guangdong has multiplied five times to 500 as of Wednesday. During that time, infections without symptoms surged seven times to about 2,500 cases.
Bring out your dead!
China’s insistence on lunatic COVID response has really shot their economy in the dick. May be good for population/political control, but it nearly forces “decoupling” of chunks of the supply chain.