Stoic Friday XLV

Stoic Friday XLV

 

Last Week

Meditations

How to Be a Stoic

How to Think Like a Roman Emperor

Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic

If you have anger issues, this one is a great tool (h/t mindyourbusiness)

This week’s book:

Discourses and Selected Writings

Disclaimer: I’m not your Supervisor. These are my opinions after reading through these books a few times.

Epictetus was born a slave around 50 ad. His owner was Epaphroditus, a rich freedman who was once a slave of Nero. Though he was a slave Epictetus was sent to study philosophy under Musonius Rufus.

Epictetus was lame and there are some stories it was caused by his master and others that it was caused by disease.

He was a freedman when all philosophers were banished from Rome in 89 by the Emperor Domitian. He then started his school in Greece, and had many students. He did not leave any writings from his lessons, but one of his students, Flavius Arrian, took notes and wrote the Discourses.

Epictetus did not marry, had no children, and lived to be around 80-85. In retirement, he adopted a child that would have been abandoned and raised him with a woman.

He died sometime around AD 135.

He might be my favorite Stoic teacher. I love his bare bones and very straight forward approach.

Following is a paragraph-by-paragraph discussion of one of his lessons. Epictetus’s text appears in bold, my replies are in normal text.

What is the beginning of philosophy?

The beginning of philosophy with those who take it up as they should, and enter in, as it were, by the gate, is a consciousness of a man’s own weakness and impotence with reference to the things of real consequence in life. For we come into being without any innate concept of a right-angled triangle, or of a half-tone musical interval, but by a certain systematic method of instruction we are taught the meaning of each of these things, and for that reason those who do not know them also do not fancy that they do. But, on the other hand, who has come into being without an innate concept of what is good and evil, honorable and base, appropriate and inappropriate, and happiness, and of what is proper and falls to our lot, and what we ought to do and what we ought not to do? Wherefore, we all use these terms and endeavor to adapt our preconceptions about them to the individual instances.

Why study philosophy? I’m sure a lot of people do it to learn more about the world and themselves. I started looking for a way to not be angry at everything. In the process I have been able to understand a better way to look at the world and people. This has helped me to be more accepting, but it can still be a struggle sometimes.

5“He has done well, as he ought, or as he ought not; he has been unfortunate, or fortunate; he is a wicked man, or he is a just man”—who of us refrains from expressions of this kind? Who of us waits before he uses them until he has learned what they mean, as those who have no knowledge of lines or sounds wait before they use the terms relating to them?

People are always certain of EVERYTHING. Listening to conversations at work about nything from current events to gossip, I am struck by how nobody ever seems to acknowledge that there might be more to the story, and they are always ready to pass judgement regardless of how much they actually know.

The reason is that we come into the world with a certain amount of instruction upon this matter already given us, as it were, by nature, and that starting with this we have added thereto our opinion.—Yes, by Zeus, for do I in my own case not have by gift of nature knowledge of what is noble and base; do I not have a concept of the matter?—You do.—Do I not apply it to individual instances?—You do.—Do I not, then, apply it properly?—There lies the whole question, and there opinion comes in. For men start with these principles upon which they are agreed, but then, because they make an unsuitable application of them, get into disputes. Since if, in addition to having the principles themselves, they really possessed also the faculty of making suitable application of the same, what could keep them from being perfect?

Most people don’t have strong guiding principles. It seems like it is too easy to find exceptions to work around them when what is desired goes against the principles. When I follow my principles and apply them correctly, it is easy to explain why I made a choice that I did. When I muddy the waters for a preferred outcome, it is hard to justify to myself in retrospect.

10But now, since you think that you can also apply your preconceptions suitably to the individual cases, tell me, whence do you get this gift?—It is because I think so.—But on this precise point someone else does not think so, and yet he too fancies that he is applying the principles properly, does he not?—He does so fancy.—Can both of you, then, be making suitable applications of your preconceptions in the matters upon which your opinions are at variance?—We cannot.—Can you, then, show us anything higher than your own opinion which will make it possible for us to apply our preconceptions better? And does the madman do anything else but that which seems to him to be good? Is this criterion, then, sufficient in his case also?—It is not.—Go, therefore, to something higher than your own opinion, and tell us what that is.

This is part of the problem with discussions today. It seems as though personal opinion has become the be all, end all for making decisions and anything that goes against that is wrong. I was talking about some new policy and explaining something and she basically told me that it’s not her fault I read so much and knew more than she did. Then she said that her opinion wouldn’t change because she “knows that she is right”.

Behold the beginning of philosophy!—a recognition of the conflict between the opinions of men, and a search for the origin of that conflict, and a condemnation of mere opinion, coupled with scepticism regarding it, and a kind of investigation to determine whether the opinion is rightly held, together with the invention of a kind of standard of judgement, as we have invented the balance for the determination of weights, or the carpenter’s rule for the determination of things straight and crooked.—Is this the beginning of philosophy? Is everything right that every man thinks?[1] Nay, how is it possible for conflicting opinions to be right? Consequently, not all opinions are right.—But are our opinions right?

To me, it is very important that my opinions be correct. I can not deal with cognitive dissonance, although I am sure that I have some I am unaware of. When I say it’s important that my opinions are correct, I’m not saying that because I believe something that that’s the correct answer. Rather I need to know that I am actually on the “right” side of a question so that I can honestly believe it and justify it to myself.

15Why ours, rather than those of the Syrians; why ours, rather than those of the Egyptians; why ours, rather than my own, or those of so-and-so?—There is no reason why.—Therefore, the opinion which each man holds is not a sufficient criterion for determining the truth; for also in the case of weights and measures we are not satisfied with the mere appearance, but we have invented a certain standard to test each. In the present case, then, is there no standard higher than opinion? And yet how can it possibly be that matters of the utmost consequence among men should be undeterminable and undiscoverable.—Therefore, there is some standard.—Then why do we not look for it and find it, and when we have found it thenceforth use it unswervingly, not so much as stretching out our finger without it? For this is something, I think, the discovery of which frees from madness those who use only opinion as the measure of all things, so that thenceforward, starting with certain principles that are known and clearly discriminated, we may use in the judgement of specific cases an organically articulated system of preconceived ideas.

John McAfee articulated this well. He said why is it in the billions of humans on the planet, you are so sure that you have the one correct opinion?

What subject has arisen that we wish to investigate?—Pleasure.20—Subject it to the standard, put it into the balance. Should the good be the sort of thing that we can properly have confidence and trust in?—It should.—Can we properly have confidence, then, in something that is insecure?—No.—Pleasure contains no element of security, does it?—No.—Away with it, then, and throw it out of the balance, and drive it far away from the region of things good. But if you are not endowed with keen eyesight and if one balance is not enough for you, bring another. Can one properly feel elated over the good?—Yes.—Can one properly feel elated, then, over the moment’s pleasure? See that you do not say that it is proper; if you do, I shall no longer regard you as a proper person even to have a balance!

Pleasure can be a good thing to have in your life. It is not the highest good and should be weighed against other considerations. When chasing pleasure, be it sexual, drugs, wealth, or any other type, if it takes over life, a happy life usually doesn’t result. There are many things I enjoy, but living a good life and being a good person come first.

And so are matters judged and weighed, if we have the standards ready with which to test them; and the task of philosophy is this—to examine and to establish the standards; but to go ahead and use them after they have become known is the task of the good and excellent man.

Being able to understand the difference between a principle and an opinion enable me to live a good life and not throw it away for a fleeting pleasure or momentary gain. I think the world would be vastly improved if more people understood this.

 

Music this week is Iron Maiden. After Bruce came back they had some good songs, but there haven’t been any real strong albums like they used to make.

Paschendale This is one of my favorites from later Maiden. It does seem like the concerts have turned into Bruce’s dress up show, not a huge fan of that.

Montsegur This one has a good kick talking about a castle where the Inquisition was conducted.

Dance of Death Decent, but not one of the all time greats.

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ron73440

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24 Comments

  1. Fourscore

    Thanks Ron,

    “Pleasure can be a good thing to have in your life.”

    I never had a job I didn’t like. Sometimes there were people at work I didn’t enjoy but that’s a different story. I went to work to have fun, maybe not rolling in the aisles fun but at least enjoyable. Some were more fun than others and I was always happy to see the end of the workday come but still…

  2. PieInTheSky

    Black Fry Day is no time to be stoic.

      • Fourscore

        Reminds me of my first wife’s cooking

  3. R.J.

    Oy. Trying to remain Stoic. Two factor authentication was accidentally turned on across all my apple devices. It can no longer be revoked. Huge PIA. I cannot control it and must stop stressing about it.
    I can, however, buy a Black Friday Google Pixel with Ubuntu Touch off of eBay. So I did so. My divorce with Apple continues.

    • UnCivilServant

      Just wait until you’re required to use six factor authentication.

      • Zwak says the real is not governable, but self-governing.

        So, working for AT&T, huh?

    • UnCivilServant

      On a related note – I find the name “two-factor authentication” to be a misnomer. It ignores the earliest days of computing.

      At first, you would login with just a username – one factor.

      Then it was a username and password – two factors.

      Now it’s a username, password, and one-time code – three factor.

      • kinnath

        username is the ID; password is the 1st authentication that the ID is valid. And so on.

        • UnCivilServant

          Incorrect.

          The proper ackchually response would be “Username is the Zeroith Factor”

  4. The Late P Brooks

    Do I not, then, apply it properly?

    If it doesn’t apply it properly, it gets the hose.

    • Mojeaux

      *drool*

      • Fourscore

        During the school year my Mom kept a bacon rind by the door. On the way to the school bus us kids would wipe our mouth with the bacon rind so the other kids would think we had meat for breakfast

        • UnCivilServant

          I’m lost.

          Did she think little kids spent a lot of time siffing each other’s breaths to figure out what they had to eat and then established a social heirarchy based upon breakfast?

          • Zwak says the real is not governable, but self-governing.

            No, but little kids and sniff out who is poor, and turn on those kids in a second.

            • UnCivilServant

              I was poor in elementary school.

              That was never a factor in who got bullied.

              • prolefeed

                Being noticeably different and bad at retaliation was the recipe for bullying when I grew up.

                Soon as I hit one of the bullies, all that crap ended tout suite.

      • Sean

        It smells really good in here.

        • R.J.

          That looks fantastic. You enjoy!

          I ate so much yesterday, I wanted nothing. Having some coffee. That’s it.

  5. R.J.

    I hope all the sickees get well soon. Swissy, Bro, and others. That’s my post-Thanksgiving wish. It’s not particularly Stoic, but I wish it anyways.

    • UnCivilServant

      What has befallen those two?

  6. Aloysious

    Paschendale is epic; not only in length but in the subject as well as the story it relates.

    Thanks Ron. Good stuff to reflect on.