Welcome to another in my series “Drinking distilled fermented rye: Yes.”
As long-time readers of the series may remember, one of my favorite aspects of this spirit is that it isn’t tied to any particular location either in tradition/nomenclature or quality. Great rye whiskey can be made (seemingly) anywhere. In this case we’re going way out east, all the way to bumblefuck Finland. Can a bunch of exceedingly dangerous violent drunks make good hooch? Yes!
I learned about this brand because they were throwing money at Gun Jesus to get on his channel, and my favorite way of supporting businesses I like is to buy things I was going to buy anyway. But righteously. And then when I looked at their US distributor, I saw that they fell into the price range that I was using when doing the original rankings series. I don’t have enough of those (nor the time) to correctly slot these into the rankings, so I’ll lay out my review methodology here:
- Worth Buying? To get a “yes” here it has to be not stupidly expensive and at least as good as Rittenhouse Bottled-in-bond, or have something unique about them that would potentially cause you to choose it over that bottle.
- How will I treat this bottle? Some bottles get drunk and forgotten. Some get drunk and replaced. Some go into the collection for guests.
- Tasting notes. This is where I’ll give my opinions. All opinions are my own and are not necessarily those of glibertarians.com, The Powers That be, SwissCo, Butlerville University, Cooked Clay Coffee Clatch, Free Cascadia LLC or any of their subsidiaries.
Kyrö Malt – worth buying? Yes. This will be drunk and replaced. This is a 100% rye whiskey aged in American Oak. From tasting it, I’d say new oak (like bourbon) but with a more intense/deeper char than typically used here. There’s a definite ash taste, but much less of the wood/vanilla/caramel notes which tells me the barrel was blackened but didn’t stay in it very long (or not long relatively speaking. I’d expect Finland to be more like Scotland in the speed of aging ’cause climate.) The website says that it’s only aged 3 years, which is kind of amazing and/or says good things about the base spirit. This is very spirit forward as the lack of wood would imply but still extremely drinkable even at 94 proof. A little water makes it even smoother. Neat, it reminds me most of the “Rye: ready-to-Drink” I reviewed some time back.
Kyrö Malt Oloroso: Worth buying? Yes. I will NOT be finishing the bottle (at least not quickly), but will put it in the collection because I think someone is really going to like this. Just not me. I have decided I just do not like sherry cask-finished whiskeys. Somehow it just kicks the bass note out of the drink and this one in particular gives me heartburn for some reason. However, this is one of those spirits that while not great on the palate is fantastic on the nose. If I ever finish this bottle it’ll be from pouring a thin film into a glass and sniffing it.
BONUS!
Kyrö Gin – Worth buying? Yes. This bottle will be drunk and replaced. Rye gin? Does that even matter? Isn’t gin grain neutral spirits that get flavored? So, I don’t like gin straight, but I really love gin cocktails. Or rather, I don’t like the gins of my youth (Gordon’s, Tanqueray, Bombay, etc.) straight or in G&T’s some of the modern (to me) gins like Hendericks are quite good neat/rocks. So is this one. This confuses me. I do like herbal-flavors in cocktails (both Manhattans and Martinis are great). I do NOT like IPAs, nor any of the super-Pine Sol hops. No pine in my beer! And yet, somehow this gin tastes like drinking a conifer forest, but… it’s really good? I haven’t made any cocktails with it yet, just drunk it neat in a glass with some bread and cheese while watching TV. Another interesting thing about this is see how the bottle is shorter in the neck but sharper in the shoulder than the whiskeys? The gin bottle is 750mL, while the whiskey ones are some stingy-Eurosize (700mL). Checking online, the botanicals involved in flavoring this are birch leaves(?) meadowsweet and lichen (??!?). Anyway, you get more, pay less, and this is a uniquely good variant of the type. Do recommend!
I’m going to take this First and I’m going to ram it into your sthomach!!1
Sthomach 1?
Firsters have three sthomaches. It’s part of the genetic defect that creates them.
Firsters have three sthomaches.
And leaky anuses.
I’ve been really happy with the gins available at Black Sheep there in New York. I’ve also become partial to the Japanese gins.
But my standard is Tanqueray for gin.
“And this is my friend Lolita”
I will have to check them out.
I was making martinis/negronis with Aviator for a while, but I didn’t replace the bottle when it ran out.
Oh, I’ve tried lots of local gins and they’ve all been way too expensive for the quality.
I like this one:
https://www.thebotanist.com/en-us/products/the-botanist-70cl
Not cheap, but excellent.
Huh. Another 700mL bottle.
Why are the Europeans so stingy?
I love experimenting with gin, and I have a well-thumbed G&T passport at my local drinker.
But, at home, for my own use, a bottle of Beefeater and a bottle of Plymouth are all I need. Maybe a bottle of Old Tom, but I could do without that one without losing much.
I seem to recall the regular bottles being a bit above a standard call gin, but not extravagant. They also do barrel aged gins, which are an interesting twist on the standard gins.
750ml:
https://bestbuyliquors.com/the-botanist-gin
I wondered why Kyro’s pink gin was less expensive than the standard. I convinced myself it had to pay less in taxes because it has a lower proof.
But this is the first that I’ve enjoyed neat in a glass at 60-something degrees.
Ron: And cheaper than the euro version!
Not sure about other states, but it would be illegal to sell a 700ml bottle of booze because reasons.
in Texas.
That website does not have any information about acquiring any product. Only merch.
This reminds me- quite a while ago, somebody made a splashy “introduction” of an “authentic George Washington rye”. I wonder what happened to them.
They got teeth termites?
Thanks for the review. I was on the fence about buying some. The NH Liquor Store doesn’t carry it, but Kyro’s online store will ship to NH. I bought some.
Can a bunch of exceedingly dangerous violent drunks
They are also excellent drivers, on dirt, snow or pavement.
This brand does not appear to be in PA liquor stores.
Nor here. The supplier shipped it to me
Ah. I see.
I have seen it on the shelf at the Class Six. The first one sounds like it’s up my alley, but the sherry finish for the 2nd gives me the same reaction.
And gin is yucky.
Not to go off topic, but it doesn’t appear to have been discussed this morning. It’s kind of a huge story breaking. Trump’s Chief of Staff, the one who was credited for his rise back to power by Trump world. gave an incredible interview to Vanity Fair that is paywalled. I’d love to read the full thing. Here’s a summary.
It’s a hatchet job, but I’ll never understand why people engrossed in the political world give this sort of access to people who obviously despise them/Trump. What good was going to come from giving some asshole writing for Vanity Fair an interview, let alone access to you for like a fucking year? This was the predictable end result.
So far Trump and the White House are standing by her, but it’s going to be tough keeping her around after these statements. She basically reinforces every criticism and even most of the conspiracies and controversies of Trump’s second term.
‘has an alcoholic’s personality’
The man doesn’t drink. What is this supposed to mean?
She’s basically saying that Trump seems to have no inhibitions and does whatever the fuck he wants impulsively. So while sober, he’s basically the Trump persona 24/7 dialed up to 11.
Wiles spoke frankly about working for Trump, saying the president “has an alcoholic’s personality,” despite being known as a teetotaler
I suppose I should read the article
In this case? It’s very likely a competent political operator getting out while the getting’s good.
Well, she apparently planned it then because she has gave the writer here access for the last year.
And she is attempting to defend herself, her team, and Trump world in general while the White House and Trump have voiced support (we’ll see how long that lasts).
Sometimes it is just incompetence. Which is becoming increasingly more common from politicians of all stripes.
Meanwhile, Kash Patel had a podcast released with his Israeli girlfriend where they talk about his dating life. Even if recorded beforehand, it’s a real bad look with the FBI stepping on their own dick repeatedly with the Brown shooter.
The link to VF in the piece works for me. It says “part 1” and looks like this part alone is massive. No way I slug through that.
What a shock. The deep state team purple cunte is against deportations and pardoning J6ers, and is horrified at the (Potemkin) dismantling of US AID.
Once again, Trump fucks up with his personnel picks.
I remember when people were all excited about Trump’s “outsider” picks like Patel and Hegseth. They’d really shake things up!
They’ve proceeded to run those departments just like the deep state wants while also embarrassing themselves in the process with gaffe after gaffe.
I’m not sure what the answer is anymore. Any insider will be massaged into the corporate hive mind. Outsiders will be slow rolled by bureaucratic maneuvering that they have no experience with. Total collapse is about the only thing the deep state couldn’t stop. But the survivors would latch onto whatever came next, like the Nazi functionaries in post war Germany.
I’m not sure what the answer is anymore
I’m old enough to remember when on glibs dot com it was cornsplained that the government is all for yucks, it’s all shit and fuck your grandchildren and voting for an unprincipled clown was just dandy because nothing matters and let’s all get some lulz when the correct people are offended when HillaryHusseinBiden doesn’t get elected
haHA!!!!! I rub my dick on all those libtards and dreenk they’s tears!!!!!
now, knee deep in the Most Libertarian President of All Time blowing up Venezuelan boats and being TACO for tariffs and papiere bitte, make it make sense!?111!?
Wait, you got out of Memphis?
It’s not as if there was exactly a more libertarian option on the ballot anyway. The Trump supporters continue to cling to the argument that Harris would have been worse. Hillary definitely would have been worse than Trump 1.0.
Harris would have been worse.
Archive to the rescue
When hire a bomb-thrower, they tend to hire more bomb-throwers.
I’m probably the only person who didn’t already know this, but Mahomes went under the knife for that knee injury.
What’s a Mahomes?
Not Yerhomes. His-homes.
Sportsball.
Your just poking Moj, aren’t you?
The thought didn’t cross my mind.
I am just ignorant of sports.
Yes ACL and LCL repair. Calling for about 9 month recovery. So probably a mid season return.
In addition to hoochposting, here’s something for Q:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzgJNOB9zz0
Is a lady Spaniard a Spaniette?
I guess it would have been a good idea to put the supplier’s website in that post for those that want to get some:
https://kyrodistillery.com/
I worked at a liquor store for the last year while at Indiana University, and I remember an embarrassing rye moment: An old lady came in to our location, and while this was right off campus, it was also popular with non-students. She asked me specifically for a “bottle of rye,” and I admit I was completely confused. At that time, I didn’t really know what that was, as in, I recognized the word but not it as a type of product.
I seem to recall looking around with her and not finding anything, but maybe a week later Zeus hit me with an Embarrassment Bolt when I found the specific bottle she was looking for. I was glad granny wasn’t present to witness my jolt of shame.
Odd, the little things ya remember. (And forget. And imagine and recreate. And “re” remember. (‘Incorrectly.’))
Yeah. There are times when I “remember” something and I have to try and figure out if I actually remember that or I’ve made that memory myself.
Those times are the worst NA.
Something to do with alien butt-probes?
This is a fun series, NA, though I don’t drink anymore. (We’ll see about that? Hopefully not, though I’ve had lapses in ‘judgement’ that’ve lasted long enough to lead to ‘clarifying’ seizure. (Get comfy drinking with no problem, which extends as confidence grows with no missteps. Then I’d eventually take it too far, somehow, predictably. A bit over three months since my last drink, which was the tail-of a spiral that led to ~2.5 seizures on Sept 8.)
I suppose I ‘understand’ good whisk(e)y and gin. I actually like the flavors and see the artisanship behind the craft. Tequila doesn’t make you ‘special’ drunk or have other properties, it just tastes like shit. Wine (and grapes) are pointless to me, cuz they just don’t taste good. Vodka is also pointless, other than getting one drunk.
(Big difference: Poor, I didn’t splurge on my own and rarely got to ‘enjoy’ a well-made drink that’d unleash the flavor-beast y’all are used to.) Not much experience ‘slowly luxuriating’ with a drink, either.)
Beer, OTOH, is legit delicious. The different styles all have their place and are a rainbow of different flavors. (Within reason, lookin’ at you ‘sours.’ When you’re good, you’re good. But…) I have a few Non-Alc Blue Moon floating ’round that I nurse from time. Athletic has some quite good ones I usually buy. ‘Golden Copper’ one is likely my favorites of theirs.
My opinion means very little in this matter, all things considered.
“Tequila doesn’t make you ‘special’ drunk or have other properties, it just tastes like shit.”
Cheap tequila tastes like shit. There are too many anejo tequilas nowadays that have had agave aged out of them. Good tequila is, well, good (IMO, of course), although it has a very different taste profile that brown liquors.
I do not like tequila. But one of the kids on our team is Dominican, his dad says tequila is crap and he likes to drink mezcal. I’ve had a glass with him, and he’s not wrong. That stuff is good.
I once went out of my way once to get a ‘good’ bottle of tequila to check check my hatred. (I looked up what a ‘good’ one would be, paid extra for it, but don’t remember what it was.)
Kinda like avocados for the genetically impaired. (Not really.) I simply didn’t at all like the taste the distiller was going for. Yuck. But folk are different and that’s good. I ‘frequently’ will try things I don’t like to make sure I actually don’t like them, opposed to some carried-over childhood aversion I had to it. Grapes? They still suck, but I can live with that. Raisins? Take unpleasantness and turn it into small, rubbery tires! I lack understanding. And they sell so many.
“Am I so out of touch? No. It’s t̵h̵e̵ ̵c̵h̵i̵l̵d̵r̵e̵n̵ everyone else who’s wrong.”
Salt, shot, lime.
You’re not supposed to taste the tequila.
With regards to mezcal, I just had some this most recent Halloween under the same premise it was any got-dammed good. First time I have vomited in 18 years…
I am curious as to why rye whiskies are generally so good.
For US made ones, I assumed it was mostly due to MGP knowing what they were doing, but here we have a cheap, foreign made, briefly aged spirit that is just so much better than say cheap vodkas. And better than longer-aged corn-based whiskeys.
Were I a young man, I might have taken my chemistry degree and gone into distilling.
At least when it comes to brewing, rye is considered one of the tougher grains to work with. Harder to malt and to crush for the mash. From memory, it’s also not self-diastatic (this means you cannot brew with it alone, as there’s not enough enzymes of the right kind to convert the starches to sugars), which means you need at least some base malt. I would expect the 95% rye to be going with 6-row malt (barley) which is known for high diastatic power but lower flavor, any of the lower mixtures (considering you only need 51% rye to label it as rye) would go with a mix of 2-row, 6-row, and corn.
Some of my favorite bourbons are “high-rye” meaning above 20% rye.
Four Roses Single Barrel is super, and Jefferson’s (at 30%) is my all time go-to.
Woodford is “high-rye” as well, but I think rest of the mash is wheat. Something that gives me an unpleasant after-taste.
Bobarian:
I am a fan of wheat whiskey and even wheatwines (high ABV wheat ales, name is based on barleywine). I’ve found that I’ve been acquiring too many unique finished bottles. I need to work through that backlog at some point.
I’m sure put an ICE into a chassis designed for a structural battery will be no problem! Plenty of room for the structure, ICE, fuel tank and emissions systems.
The saga of Porsche’s next-generation 718 Cayman and Boxster has been … confusing. Back in 2022, Porsche confirmed the car would go from a mid-engine, gas-powered car to a full EV to satisfy upcoming emissions regulations in the EU, despite no one asking for such a car.
As demand for electric cars has steadily leveled out, Porsche stuck to its guns until this past September, when it revealed during an investor presentation that “top” versions of the gas-powered 718, like the GT4 RS and Spyder RS, would remain in production, with the new EV-platformed cars occupying the rest of the range.
https://www.theautopian.com/porsche-finally-realized-not-enough-people-want-electric-sports-cars-and-its-reportedly-caused-an-engineering-nightmare/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x-6kHjF1U1E&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD
Porsche must have missed teetering on bankruptcy through much of the 90s.
From the dedthred, on employment statistics:
You know who has a very comprehensive, current, and granular database of employment data?
The government. The IRS, to be specific. Payments are made monthly or biweekly, and reports are submitted quarterly. The only people not covered, as far as I know, are the self-employed. And of course, cash-only gray market, but those won’t be caught by any system.
IRS delenda est.
Define self-employed- while I am an S corp, I am pretty much self employed for practical purposes. As such, I too have to file quarterly 941 forms.
I wish I could shout at users “It’s not my job to troubleshoot your job, you dumb son of a bitch.”
I have less visibility to information on their batch jobs than they do – they have access to the server where it runs.
Why do they think I know why it failed?
I saw this in Church as well and would try, but alas I could not find it in Romania. I would probably enjoy the sherry.
I imagine that hotels/flights are in low demand right now.
https://visit.kyrodistillery.com/en/pages/distillery-tour
I cannot go to Finland. All the saunas are nude and I would shock people with my massive schlong
Penis envy is for seconders.
You ever see my massive FirstS? As in plural. As in many. Legion. All bigger than yours.
Pie of Finland– The Illustrated Novel.
I have a whole bunch of bottles of gin that I never drink I would not buy another one.
No love for any of the gin cocktails? I’m sure I’ve shared enough of them over the months.
I don’t much drink cocktails. I drink more than I should anyway and save the liver space for whisky and wine. I like neat whisky too much to drink cocktails.
I have been enjoying this recently
this goddamnit
https://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/bunnahabhain/bunnahabhain-10-year-old-2014-cask-3843349-the-octave-duncan-taylor-whisky
I haven’t had that particular variant, but I remember liking the base-level Bunny.
staoisha is heavily peated base level usually no that much
I am deeply shocked and disappointed to discover politicians and “political operatives” behave in ways I don’t like.
The most ridiculous example of Woke you may ever see.
A) Facebook
B) Kinetic captioning.
Both hard noes.
‘MI5 and SIS launched a ‘Disability and Neurodivergence in the UK Intelligence Services’ electronic brochure, which has been made available to every candidate applying to MI5 and SIS.’
The new james bond could be in that very video
“Bond James Bond is an excellent driver.”
This English exam from Japan is impossible
https://x.com/akuhayum/status/2000290517356249200
I do read a lot in english but these questions are not difficult. Then again i am an adult no idea what i knew in school.
See the second half of my previous comment.
To pass this exam you apparently need to know the definitions and usage of obscure and difficult words like ‘twinge’, ‘extol’, and ‘boon.’
“Am I stupid?
Yes. Yes, you are.
Made it through the first two simple questions. Reminded me of the story: Chief of S Korea’s high-stakes exam quits over ‘insane’ English test… for which the sample questions provided didn’t seem overly difficult to me either.
Looks to be that more people are not reading enough to be proficient in reading and writing.
They aren’t particularly useful either. It’s the typical test made hard just to make it hard and not to test knowledge.
I can see them being excruciating to a native Japanese speaker. There is no common root language between Japanese and English although there are plenty of words from modern English in the language. Naturally, I’m not aware of any of those words on the test here of being in common use as loan words.
I tend to watch news and entertainment in Japanese. If the words aren’t in common use in those two medium and everyday conversation I don’t know them.
You read a lot of English. The idiot in the video apparently doesn’t. Certainly not anything written more than 10 years ago.
As a native english speaker, that test is trivial.
I don’t know how stupid the guy in the video is.
No ‘stupider’ than the average American at this point.
I used some word I consider basic around my boomer manager one day, not anything crazy. I can’t recall exactly at this point what it was and he repeated it laughing. I looked at him cross-eyed. He was like I’ve never heard anyone use that. I told him it’s because he’s a dumb son-of-a-bitch.
The ‘average American’ is functionally illiterate and innumerate.
I’m sure put an ICE into a chassis designed for a structural battery will be no problem! Plenty of room for the structure, ICE, fuel tank and emissions systems.
Or you could continue to build the car you’re building now.
“Back by popular demand!”
The “world car” is a myth?
Farley had spent years telling staff and investors that catching up to Tesla and China’s leading EV makers amounted to an existential struggle. Now – after losing about $13 billion on EVs since 2023 – Farley says the path to survival lies in ditching these unprofitable models.
“We can’t allocate money for things that will not make money,” he told Reuters on Monday. “As much as I love those products, the customers in the U.S. were not going to pay for them. And that was the end of that.”
Farley’s angst reflects the broader conundrum facing auto executives in the wake of Trump-administration policies that stripped the industry of EV subsidies and eased restrictions on tailpipe pollution.
Most automakers now can’t sell EVs in the U.S. profitably or in volume – but must sell them in China, Europe and other markets to appease regulators and compete with Chinese automakers expanding globally.
That’s left Ford and other automakers with the challenge of tailoring vastly different vehicle lineups for different regions.
Life would be so much easier if we could just tell people what to buy.
That’s left Ford and other automakers with the challenge of tailoring vastly different vehicle lineups for different regions.
Because that has never ever been the case before. Up until EVs the Ford F150 was the number one seller in Europe, just like in the US.
I doubt even China can prop up the EV fantasy much longer.
Europe is toast, I wouldn’t worry about them.
correct thinking
‘MI5 and SIS launched a ‘Disability and Neurodivergence in the UK Intelligence Services’ electronic brochure, which has been made available to every candidate applying to MI5 and SIS.’
https://x.com/kunley_drukpa/status/2000817202988245246
ɖʀʊӄքǟ ӄʊռʟɛʏ 🇧🇹🇹🇩
@kunley_drukpa
>pinochet dictatorship ends
>now taboo to praise pinochet
>social democrat reich guaranteed if left don’t govern incompetently
>they govern incompetently
>migration and crime soar
>pinochet taboo destroyed
>pro-pinochet candidate pledging mass deportations, to copy bukele elected
That’s a fine kettle!
https://x.com/OunkaOnX/status/2000824608195277102
Michael Dunne, a consultant and former General Motors executive who spent years in China, said U.S. automakers have little choice but to balance raking in U.S. profits from gas-powered trucks while competing overseas with Chinese and other EV makers.
“EVs are not going to go away,” Dunne said. “So are we going to compete globally or are we just going to stay at home?”
The obvious correct choice is to piss away billions of dollars chasing a moving technological target. You wouldn’t want to let the innovators fight it out while watching from the sidelines.
Or build what each market wants.
How many decades to Ford basically make Euro only variants of automobiles?
I rented fords when I was on business travel to England 20 years ago. Much better driving experience than US fords at the time.
I want to drink this Rye, in spite of me being on the wagon (just until Christmas Eve).To distract myself, I’m wasting valuable time watching Porch Pirate videos. I know this video is a work, probably with some AI enhancement, but what makes me laugh is the double and triple tap .
I’m seeing a lot of those on X this week. What gets me is people covered in paint complaining to the cops, who tell them they were stealing. It reminds me of that show Cheaters, where they used undercover cameras to catch people in the act of cheating on their significant other. Often they would interview the cheater at the end, and they’d say “I CAN’T BELIEVE SHE DIDN’T TRUST ME!”
In this case we’re going way out east, all the way to bumblefuck Finland. Can a bunch of exceedingly dangerous violent drunks make good hooch?
Ah, the Finns. A good way to get them really riled up is to call them Scandinavians. THEY ARE NORDIC, but not Scandinavian. (Only they seem to care about the difference).
Where I grew up, several Finns started farming just outside the nearby rez. They eventually married Native women and the offspring were all over the place. All of them were mean and liked to fight. Some could handle liquor like a Finn, some like a Native American. Our nickname for them was Finndians.
The filthy Scandis are ethnically and linguistically distinct from the Finns, and the old wars were not forgot.
Finland has roughly the same per capita gun ownership rate as the United States, and eight times the alcohol consumption rate. I love Finns.
Wisconsin of Europe?
I avoid linking to Salon, but I don’t see this popping up on the news yet:
https://www.salon.com/2025/12/16/political-malpractice-johnson-faces-bipartisan-blowback-for-nixing-aca-subsidies-vote/
House Speaker Mike Johnson faced criticism from both sides of the aisle after announcing that the House will not vote on extending ACA subsidies.
Along with House Democrats, around a dozen moderate Republican lawmakers supported extending the subsidies. Johnson praised the lawmakers for “fighting hard to make sure they reduce costs for all of their constituents,” even as he nixed the vote.
If it is only popping up in Salon, maybe it isn’t real?
Dunno, seems like something that would make major news.
Not enough blood. Reiner, Brown U, and Bondi are leading the news. Wiles is following closely behind.
The Economist mocks conservative women. On the link to this, they summed up the story as a “tragic.”
I ended up in an argument with a feminist yesterday over abortion (I was very bored). Or more about whether men should have the right to opt out of raising a child if women can abort the pregnancy. She was actually able to hold her own (I’m not trying to praise my intellectual greatness here as much as pointing out that most feminists retreat at the first sign of conflict and if they don’t they fail miserably to make their points in large part due to taking all their unchallenged beliefs for givens). She hardly convinced me of anything, but I was surprised at her ability to form a coherent argument and her willingness to actually engage with what I actually said. I actually got semi-erect I’m not going to lie.
Just kind of a side tangent there.
A semi-first?
Or more about whether men should have the right to opt out of raising a child if women can abort the pregnancy
I’ve never heard a coherent argument against this one, even from smart pro-abortion women (or men for that matter). If one wants to make a point from a purely utilitarian position. Generally boils down to “it’s different – women’s bodies vs. men’s pocketbooks”, which can easily be countered by 9 months of indentured servitude vs. ~19 years. Or something about biology meaning women and men should be treated differently – not sure that’s a road a pro-choice person should go down as that opens a whole ‘nother can of questions.
Yea she resorted to claiming that the child doesn’t exist until after the birth so the man has no obligations or choice before that. That women and men are biologically different and the policy acknowledges that reality.
Which of course I responded to with your points there. Only point she really dodged entirely was the biological differences and what the means with regards to intelligent sexual behaviors.
She defended welfare for single moms based on the welfare of the child. We got here because she argued that society would be responsible if not the father so he shouldn’t get a choice, after which I pointed out that women get not only choice but aid for making the decision to keep a child they aren’t equipped to raise. So the women are allowed to make a choice to offload their responsibility onto the taxpayer, but it’s wrong if the man does it? I said you are actively incentivizing shitty decisions from women. She said no because the intent was only to help the child. I pointed out intent doesn’t matter the end result is the same. She called this a “category error” and I said her entire argument about biology was just special pleading and that what she was arguing was closer to a “category error” than mine that motivations/intent of policies don’t matter.
If the Finnish stuff can’t be had in your state, may I suggest St. George Terroir?
When I was younger, I was an assistant coach for the Finnish Olympic Track & Field development team (middle distance runners).
It was a pretty easy job — wake up at 5:30, run a few Lapps, hit the sauna afterwards.
run [train on] a few Lapps?
Run a few Lapps? You need to rein it in, deer!
Dammit, now I want some gin and cheddar. But I’m in a stupid meeting about winnowing down the PPE stocked.
I am landlocked at work, cannot do anything until I get access. Annoying.
I can find the gin locally. Nothing else is available. This makes me sad.
Daddy Warbucks needs a new pair of shoes
Some of Europe’s biggest military contractors urged investors not to cash out of the sector on Tuesday, as stocks sold off on hopes of a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine.
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American officials then told reporters a peace deal was close to completion, while U.S. President Donald Trump said negotiators were “closer now than we have been ever” to stopping the conflict. Talks are expected to continue into the weekend.
Give war a chance.
Zelensky is just playing everyone. Trump is crazy to keep trying.
But I’m in a stupid meeting about winnowing down the PPE stocked.
Declare a public health emergency.
Some of Europe’s biggest military contractors urged investors not to cash out of the sector on Tuesday, as stocks sold off on hopes of a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine.
How are they supposed to compete with unregulated gypsy popups building cheap drones in their garages?